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Just putting this up to contrast with this post and because Eli Valley is a great political cartoonist.

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[–] Ekybio@lemmy.world 42 points 6 months ago (29 children)
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[–] Afghaniscran@feddit.uk 24 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I'm not even American but didn't the republicans do the exact same thing with "America under biden" using pictures of America under Trump.

[–] dwalin@lemmy.world 22 points 6 months ago (28 children)

"i am trump and i aprove of this message"

You want to have genocide And fascism? Because this is how you get genocide and fascism.

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[–] OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Trump is worse, of course, but you are getting mainly downvotes because this is basically true and there is no counterargument that doesn't depend on the fact that American politics is broken. The comic isn't totally right (e.g. project 2025 is not Biden's plan) but it's too close for comfort for some people.

Think about the response if Trump was funding a genocide and protesters were being arrested, silenced and vilified under his watch. Every single comment section would be flooded with people explaining how this is a key pillar of fascism.

But it's all fine and people should grin and bear it because the bar is so fucking low you're more likely to stub your toe on it than fail to clear it.

[–] Frog-Brawler@kbin.social 12 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Who said all is fine and people should grin and bear it? Last I checked, there were several protests happening at universities across the country.

One thing that I can mention as my experience… as a 40 year old, I was the youngest person at the local Democratic Party meeting last time there was one…

I wasn’t there in support of what’s going on, I was there to attempt to influence the party. I’ve been trying to convince them that the way to gain more votes is actually shifting further left.

My takeaways from that experience…

1.) People in their 20’s should be showing up to the meetings and shifting the party left, but they’re not.
2.) The party is only going to listen to people that do show up… which seems like the average age was probably 65.

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[–] null@slrpnk.net 11 points 6 months ago

The sheer number of smug, privileged both-sidesers on Lemmy is absolutely staggering.

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

Organise a general strike to demand sweeping reforms.

Voting strategically is the bare minimum for when things are basically fine. They're not. We have to do more.

[–] GladiusB@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago (6 children)

A) It doesn't look like him and it took me way too long to figure it out.

B) You're a shitty artist. Maybe take up piano.

C) It doesn't make any fuckin sense and won't sway me in any way other than not listening to you.

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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago (9 children)

Sure, you don't have to do it if you don't mind fascism and not getting to vote ever again.

As for everyone who ISN'T a fascism enabler, though? Bit of a moral imperative.

[–] OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Pretty fucking depressing that the anti fascism vote is also the keep supporting genocide vote. It's a trolley problem but one track only has foreigners tied to it so we're supposed to cheer for that option I guess

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago (10 children)

One track has Palestinians tied to it, the other track has more Palestinians tied to it, Ukrainians and probably others tied to it, AND American minorities by the bushel.

If you're looking for a point in history when there wasn't someone getting hit by the trolley, you'll be looking a while. We have to find the choice that is most achievable and least damaging.

[–] OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

One track has Palestinians tied to it, the other track has more Palestinians tied to it, Ukrainians and probably others tied to it, AND American minorities by the bushel.

Yeah wooooo go Biden so proud 🤣 vote democrat, we will probably be responsible for less death and suffering. New slogan right there. "SLIGHTLY! LESS! DEATH!"

It's a complicated situation though golly who knows how to fix this problem

We have to find the choice that is most achievable and least damaging.

The smart people know that. Only problem is that not all of the people are smart and they all have the same voting power

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

vote democrat, we will probably be responsible for less death and suffering. New slogan right there. “SLIGHTLY! LESS! DEATH!”

That's the slogan for every positive action throughout human history. We don't have the luxury of choices which hurt no one on the societal scale.

[–] OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I'm not saying it's a bad decision given the situation. I'm saying the situation is dog shit and perhaps will come back to bite us in the ass when "slightly less death!" isn't the biggest motivation to get out and vote.

I would be more sympathetic to your point if Biden couldn't stop supporting this immediately with relative ease. Most voters are against what Israel is doing and especially democrats. It's not like it would hurt his election chances. It's not like the protests this has inspired are a good look anyway.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Most voters are against what Israel is doing and especially democrats. It’s not like it would hurt his election chances.

That's literally not true though.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/548084/americans-divided-involvement-middle-east.aspx

Americans Divided Over U.S. Support for Israel and the Palestinians Do you think the United States supports [Israel/the Palestinians] too much, about the right amount or too little? % Too much% Right amount% Too little% No opinion U.S. support for Israel U.S. adults 36 38 24 Republicans 26 37 37 Independents 40 36 22 Democrats 40 43 15

Most Americans, including most Democrats, think that the current level of support for Israel is either correct or too little.

[–] OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children)

More recent poll:

https://news.gallup.com/poll/642695/majority-disapprove-israeli-action-gaza.aspx

Overall 55% disapprove of Israel's actions and only 36% approve, plus

Democrats, who were already largely opposed in November, are even more so now, with 18% approving and 75% disapproving.

And

Biden’s approval rating for his handling of the situation in the Middle East, at 27%, is his lowest among five issues tested in the survey.

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[–] LesDeuxBonsYeux@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)
[–] morphballganon@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

Republican influencers know if they told the truth, they'd lose, so they lie. Cartoon depictions are no exception.

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[–] FemboyNB@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Isn't this like the trolley problem?

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