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Observe Israel definitely not being an Apartheid state.

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[–] penquin@lemm.ee 171 points 6 months ago

Imagine treating people like that for decades then complain when they react.

[–] Traegert@lemm.ee 76 points 6 months ago

One of the biggest failings of society is when we, instead of holding them accountable, give the bullies bigger sticks and look away until it's "not a problem" anymore.

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 68 points 6 months ago (16 children)

Why does the West support Zionists?

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 96 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)

Biden is older than Israel, he was 6 when it was created, and he has said he will always support them no matter what because when he was a child his father made him promise to.

Elderly people often don't realize how much has changed. In Biden's eyes Israel will always be the victims because of WW2.

For him to accept that was generations ago and lots has changed, he'd have to come to terms with how old he is.

And if he could do that, he wouldn't be trying to increase his record for oldest president ever.

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 29 points 6 months ago (1 children)

That sounds incredibly childish...

[–] sparkle@lemm.ee 24 points 6 months ago (2 children)

This is how a majority of extremely old people think. To them, what was true in their childhood is always true.

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 24 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Otherwise put: conservatives - just want everything to the stay the same.

[–] sparkle@lemm.ee 6 points 6 months ago

Yep, even a lot of people who were progressives in their time period end up thinking this way. Like Ruth Bader.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

It's not like their choosing to do that.

It's a normal thing our brains do if we're lucky enough to live that long.

Humans didn't evolve to live in such fast pace worlds. So if someone made it to 60, running on "autopilot" wasn't as big of a deal. So as we lose critical thinking skills (again, completely normal) we fall back on stuff we learned as kids and stereotypes to be able to keep up.

It's why not having an age limit on elected representives is so crazy.

It's outright denial of science to pretend an 80 year old is still capable of leading a country. For more reasons than just that one.

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[–] index@sh.itjust.works 21 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Let's not just blame it on someone being old. They know exactly what's going on they simply don't care about a bunch of poor people dying when these are in between their ambitions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Globke

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago (5 children)

Your mistake is thinking everyone that does a shitty thing, did it for the same reason:

That they're a monster.

That way of thinking is easy, but the "why" is the most important part if you're trying to prevent the next person from doing the same thing.

I'm not making excuses, I'm explaining the "why" and hoping some day we have a choice for president whose able to make rational decisions.

Fingers crossed for 2028.

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[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 6 months ago

Why? Well the TL;DR is that it's very fucking complicated.

Israel is a useful military proxy for the US. They probably do a lot of advantageous things for us. (the US isn't just the tooth fairy after all) i've heard on the grape vine that we have existing established weapons deals with israel that could very iffy to overturn (as per usual with this shit)

zionist as a term is also very broad. It can be used to mean quite a lot, though specifically with islam, it seems to be a pretty generic term of "we want our own state" and that's about it.

hamas is funded/supplied by iran (unless this has changed?), last i checked we bombed the ever living shit out of iran in the war on terror, so they probably don't like us, and we probably don't like them, so as far as the US is concerned, this is just a proxy war on iran with israel buying our military equipment. We've seen iran strike israel, and israel strike iran, so this is basically just a proxy war at this point.

strategically, from a military perspective, there is probably a "good" reason to be doing this, good as in the sense of keeping your military power healthy. This is technically a way of the US testing equipment in war time, though who knows how much of that is true. military hardware investigation is a fucking nightmare so i might just be pulling that one out of my ass honestly. There are almost certainly other benefits, like the aforementioned proxy war, it allows us to keep an eye on how war tends to work in the middle east, which gives us a technological leg up, because we can prepare for that.

the israel/palestine conflict itself goes back quite far, and continues into even murkier waters. If you look into some of the history it's pretty fucked up. And incredibly hodge podge. This shit has never been clean, will never be clean, and can never be clean. This is just an unfortunate fact of long term disputes.

israel has kind of pushed palestine into a hard space over the years. Palestine has reacted by creating a hard space to push israel into, which israel is obviously pushing back on. And now we have warfare in an urban setting.

This shit sucks, it's awful, there's almost no way to have a set opinion on anything except for the fact that "it's bad"

oh and need i mention we're in between what is essentially two marginally different accounts of history through religion? To my knowledge, israel, and palestine refer to the same plot of land (at least roughly) in a historical sense (religious texts lmao, but probably even outside of them) so now we have two parties, who are basically the same party, fighting over what is basically the name of a place, but actually because israel decided they don't like palestine? (probably, i dont know why they did this shit, could be a multitude of reasons) now it's essentially escalated into what can only be described as a war.

now to be clear here, i'm not supporting any one party here. I'm just pointing out a handful of complex reasons as to why this might be the case. I hate when people take incredibly complex geopolitical conflicts and rivalries and go "well actually bad dumb and good smart"

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[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 67 points 6 months ago

The casual brutality is terrifying.

The way the man does not react in any way and just lowers the head and keeps walking is even more terrifying.

[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 47 points 6 months ago

They were clearly hamas

[–] qwerty@discuss.tchncs.de 36 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I download all of the videos like this so that in 30 years when free speech is illegal and you have to scan your id embedded in your brain chip to access the internet i can show them to the future generation before my brain gets fried for wrong think.

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 6 months ago (2 children)

archive.org has already been on this almost certainly, if you arent already doing it, you should be putting them on archive btw

[–] BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Unless you donate money to them, those services that archive.org does will not exist forever.

yup, which is another good reason to keep running your own archive :)

[–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago (6 children)

Archive.org may be soon loosing a copyright lawsuit that will put them out of business. Better not rely on one third party for something this important.

well there's only one way to help them with that lawsuit so.

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[–] Ballistic_86@lemmy.world 31 points 6 months ago

Some of these replies seem to think it is okay to hit a random guy, walking passed, in the knee with batons. Escalation of force starts with clear and concise commands. I didn’t see one of those uniformed men command or inform those two that they weren’t allowed to do whatever it is they were doing (appeared to be walking casually on the street) before they busted out the batons.

[–] Breezy@lemmy.world 26 points 6 months ago

Any one instrested should read The Olive Grove: A Palestinian Story by Deborah Rohan. The book follows 3 generations around ww2 of a single family that goes through hell by the zionist of the time.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 20 points 6 months ago

At 0:28 the guy shows off his Nazi-Fu

[–] HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago (5 children)

Can someone clarify for me

  • when/where was this taken

  • who are the people in "uniform" and how do you know

  • what organization published this, i don't recognize them

[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 33 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (19 children)

So... I can't answer your questions but is is certainly in Israel or the settlements due to the writing's on the ads.

There is no doubt that Israel would not allow anyone but themselves to behave like that inside their own territories of control so i'd say that it is pretty safe to assume that it is an Israeli authority of some sort.

Who leaked it and when is irrelevant IMO.

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[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (8 children)

The original post is from https://twitter.com/QudsNen/status/1785325593615032694

"Israeli occupation forces assault Palestinians passing by in the occupied city of Jerusalem."

I think it is recent. There is Hebrew text and the video is very high definition.

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[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)
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