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This is the place for discussing the potential collapse of modern civilization and the environment.


Collapse, in this context, refers to the significant loss of an established level or complexity towards a much simpler state. It can occur differently within many areas, orderly or chaotically, and be willing or unwilling. It does not necessarily imply human extinction or a singular, global event. Although, the longer the duration, the more it resembles a ‘decline’ instead of collapse.


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[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

The oil industry has entered into a new economic regime. It used to be how can I maximize how many dollars can I make this quarter, whereas in the last couple years, it's turned into how can I most efficiently make the most amount of dollars from all the oil that's still left. That's why they're making record profits, ironically enough -- they used to reinvest some amount of income as refineries, new drilling operations, capital outlays that would accelerate the extraction. Now there's no point to that, so instead they just keep the cash (EE I think described it pretty aptly as "the party at the end of the world.")

I wouldn't automatically assume that a sharp drop in their willingness to spend money accelerating extraction, means a sharp collapse in the amount of oil or the difficulty getting it from the ground. They're just abruptly adjusting their incentives, without necessarily a sharp jump in the physical-oil reality (just a continuation of the steady downward slide.)

[–] maketotaldestr0i@lemm.ee 2 points 6 months ago

When oil falls off all that nat gas byproduct also falls off so it can lead to an accelerated decline curve for nat gas too. and nat gas is doing a lot of the fossil fuel work in the total energy mix. I think nat gas prices would have to be quite higher to support the fracking for them without the oil acting as the prime motivator

[–] eleitl@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

What do you think about what Art Berman says?

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 1 points 6 months ago

About what aspect? I don't really know him, but I just read some of his stuff and he sounds very accurate to me in general.