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[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 64 points 7 months ago (12 children)

I've actually started to recognize the pattern of if something is written in AI

It's hard to describe but it's like an uncanny valley of quality, like if someone uses flowery SAT words to juje up their paper's word count but somehow even more

It's like the writing will occasionally pause to comment on itself and the dramatic effect its trying to achieve

[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 18 points 7 months ago

Yeah it's called bullshitting. It's the way lots of people are encouraged to write in high school when the goal is to see if the student can write a large amount of prose with minimal grammatical errors.

But once you get to post-secondary you are expected for your writing to actually have content and be fairly concise in expressing that content. And AI falls on its face trying to do that.

[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 18 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, this is true! It likes to summarize things at the end in a stereotypical format

[–] RatBin@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

It's not a bad format either, AI seem to enjoy the five paragraph assay format above all other even for casual conversations.

[–] takeda@lemmy.world 15 points 7 months ago

The LLM isn't really thinking, it is auto complete trained so the average person would be fooled thinking that text was produced by another human.

I'm not surprised it has flaws like that.

BTW here on Lenny there are communities with AI pictures. Someone created a similar community but with art created by humans.

While the AI results are very good, when you start looking and comparing it with non AI art, you start seeing that the AI while it is unique it still produces a cookie cutter results.

[–] GluWu@lemm.ee 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I have issue with using AI to write my resume. I just want it to clean up my grammar and maybe rephrase a few things just in a different way I wouldn't because I don't do the words real good. But I always end up with something that reads like I paid some influencer manager to write it. I write 90% of it myself so its all accurate and doesn't have AI errors. But it's just so obviously too good.

[–] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 8 points 7 months ago

You are putting yourself down unnecessarily. You want your resume to talk you up. Whoever reads it is going to imagine that you embellished anyway. So if you just write it basically, they'll think you're unqualified or just don't understand how to write a resume.

[–] Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago

“While the thing you entered in the prompt, it’s important to consult this other source on your prompt. In summary, your prompt.”

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[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 38 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

Unexpected pencil and paper test comeback

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Already happening. My kid in high school has more tests and papers required to be hand-written this year.

And yes, TurnItIn legitimately caught him writing a paper with AI. Even the best kids make the stupid/lazy choice

[–] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

When I was in college (2000-2004), we wrote our long papers on computers but we had what were called “blue books” for tests that were like mini notebooks. And many of the tests were basically, “Here is the topic. Write for up to an hour.”

And now my hand cramps if I write anything longer than a check. I can also type quickly enough that it basically matches the speed of my train of thoughts but actually writing cursive with a pen now, I get distracted and think, “Wait, how does a cursive capital ‘G’ go? Oh yeah. Hold on. What was I going to write?”

I pity the kids that have always typed for what their hands will go through on written tests

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (2 children)

No way professors/TAs are going back to grading tests by hand.

[–] holycrap@lemm.ee 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Most professors I dealt with when I did campus IT couldn't get their office printer to work.

[–] anamethatisnt@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

Not a problem, the next IT campus recruitment will list "OCR Scanner Operator" as a requirement and as a part of the job description. ;-)

[–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 3 points 7 months ago

Here (France) we still mostly grade by hand.

[–] Savaran@lemmy.world 31 points 7 months ago (10 children)

Machine learning tool used by people too lazy to do their actual job accuses everyone else of using machine learning tools.

[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago

Yeah that's pretty funny given the circumstances. "Our AI found your AI." Cool, so maybe none of this is working as intended. I'd be willing to bet nothing changes but the punishments for students.

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[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 31 points 7 months ago (3 children)

I have it write all my emails. I’m so productive and everyone loves them. That or they’re also using ChatGPT, and it’s just two computers flattering each other.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 21 points 7 months ago

I had it write an operation manual for a client I particularly hate. Told it to make it sound condescending by dumbing it down just to the point where I could deny it. The first few times it just sounded like a 5th grade teacher talking to a kid while in a bad mood, but eventually it figured out if it just repeated itself enough it got the effect I wanted.

Things like: user is to disconnect power before attempting to repair. It is vital that the step of disconnecting power before attempting to repair is carried out.

[–] RatBin@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

I'm also sent long gpt generated documents and I summarise them in bullet points with gpt 4. Truly the future we all imagined (I learnt to take extra time to write a FAQ as an introduction to anything I write specifically because I know that they will gpt through the document, so I provide that stuff in advance)

[–] jjagaimo@lemmy.ca 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

What kind of emails are you sending to what kind of people, and how frequently that AI increases your productivity? I don't think I ever have emails that AI could do better or faster, since it'd probably take longer to explain to the AI what I need it to write than to type it out myself. Then again I'm in an engineering setting and it's pretty much just numbers, confirmations, basic requests, and issue descriptions, IT tickets, mostly

[–] ericbomb@lemmy.world 21 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Someone posted to the class discussion form with the bit about being an ai bot still included.

I wish it was a joke.

I didn't do great in that class, but it was me getting 70% for not wanting to try and explain a mathematically concept in 500 words! They won't take that away from me.

[–] MonkderDritte@feddit.de 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I still have issues with such restrictions. I mean, why 500 words if you can explain it in 100?

[–] 0xD@infosec.pub 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

To force elaboration while staying on point. Details are just as important to writing as conciseness.

[–] MonkderDritte@feddit.de 3 points 7 months ago

Then give marks for elaboration instead.

[–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I had a student write me a chatgpt canned answer, prompt included.

[–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

That's a good one. I once gave an assignment for students to write an original poem. One student submitted The Charge of the Light Brigade by Tennyson and claimed it was his own. These were middle school kids so he didn't realize how famous the poem is. This shit has been happening forever. LLMs are another phase in the never-ending arms race between teachers and students who want to cheat.

[–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 14 points 7 months ago (1 children)

And nothing of value was produced.

[–] yggstyle@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago

To be fair- that value didn't change much from pre ai.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I knew plenty of kids in high school that paid other kids to do their homework.

I know because I was one of the kids getting paid.

AI is just replacing good, ~~honest~~ work with machines.

[–] nyan@lemmy.cafe 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Utterly unsurprising, given that very few students are actually interested in learning.

[–] redempt@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

very few students are interested in what and how they're learning

[–] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 8 points 7 months ago
[–] dominiquec@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

And those papers get used as training data for next iteration of AI. Reinforcement learning!

[–] spirinolas@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

Students? Even teachers are doing it...

[–] Jakdracula@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

“Likely “

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