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[–] z00s@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Just finished watching The 100 on Netflix. The writing was pretty terrible.

  • Literally every bad action performed by a character (up to and including genocide) was justified as "I had no choice". They should have called it, "The no choice show". I would have loved to have seen a counter in the corner of the screen that ticked up every time that was said, which was at least once per episode.

  • Seconds before any kind of solution that would have solved major problems was enacted, a character (different each time)- previously rational, but now for some reason completely chaotic- would jump in and destroy the McGuffin and fuck everyone over because it was in their personal interest. Every single fucking time, even in the final episode. It's no longer a plot twist, it's just lazy AF writing. It also meant that the characters had no consistency or predictability of motive, which meant their believability went down the toilet.

I'm going to stop there but believe me, that's the tip of the iceberg.

That show was proof that Netflix will greenlight just about anything.

[–] x4740N@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

The motto of corporations is: money over quality & people

[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 3 points 9 months ago

For one thing, too many works of fiction involve a romance. I don't judge the romances itself, I would never get between even multiple people in love when on a screen, but these things don't always have to be in the boundaries of the story. Even works like DC Comics which promote themselves on a realism basis give romances out like a token. Which is why the ending to Battleship saved that movie in my eyes.

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

"I am not [well known character archetype]"

does literally everything possible to follow that archetype

^cough^ ^cough^ ^one^ ^piece^ ^cough^ ^cough^

[–] meekah@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Just startend one piece, what exactly do you mean?

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

"I'm not a hero, I don't want to be one, I want to be a pirate"

does practically everything a hero would do in every situation

queue morbillion comments about peak fiction writing.

[–] dovahking@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Well then you haven't been paying attention. His ideal of a pirate comes from a red haired guy with high values not from those who pillage, kill and steal for fun. And he rarely goes out of his way to help some rando. Every time he has helped someone, it's because he considered them a friend or they helped luffy first out of their kindness. He's just paying back their kindness. If it involves saving a burning Kingdom for a friend who happens to be its princess, then so be it.

Nothing heroic about it. Even villains help their friends. I won't say it's peak fiction. But it's pretty close to it.

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You can pretty much always count on a hero to:

  • Leave their ordinary world to pursue a mission in unfamiliar circumstances.
  • Discover new friends and make new enemies, including one primary foe who seems undefeatable.
  • Face tremendous trials.
  • Learn difficult lessons.
  • Experience an “all is lost” moment or a moral dilemma. Or both.

And

In terms of what the hero is like as a person, traits can vary. However, the most common qualities seen in the hero archetype are:

  • Physical or magical strength.
  • Physical, mental, and emotional resilience.
  • Persistence.
  • Courage.
  • A strong sense of right and wrong.
  • Commitment to a mission, relationship, or value system.
  • An impulse to protect the defenseless or give a voice to the unheard.

This dude is a 1:1 match for the hero archetype lol. Name one example where Luffy decided not to help or choose a mutually beneficial solution to another character that he liked. Helping only friends and kind doesn't make you any less of a hero.

There's nothing wrong with following the archetype, it's actually a sign of good story writing.

But having him say "I'm not a hero" every five seconds is annoying as hell and feels like shoehorned dialogue that doesn't go anywhere or build on anything.

[–] dovahking@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Your statement of what a hero does is more like a protagonist's definition.

Regarding the characteristics of a hero, which you stated, that can also be applied to a villain. A villain can have the same traits except his sense of right and wrong is twisted or flawed. Tragic villains are often born because they were the unheard or defenceless. So now they will become the voice of the unheard.

My definition of a hero is someone who puts their own well-being far below than others'. Someone who will go out of his way to save a stranger whom he has never seen before. Someone who just keeps giving and giving until there's nothing left. A selfless, kind, naive person. Superman is what I'd call a hero.

Luffy isn't one. Yes he has a sense of right and wrong and is kind. But he's selfish. He will beat anyone who stands in his way of achieving his dream. He has multiple times puts his crew in a pinch(because of stupidity) or state of financial ruin(by eating whole rations or spending all their hard earned fortune on parties).

And I've only heard him say I'm not a hero once or twice. But what he does say often is he want to be a pirate King.

[–] LemmyRefugee@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

You don’t like it that the character says he does not want to be something that he is?

[–] Doof@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

The way GOT ended with making the storyteller (the writer) become an important part of the story. The writers self insert is a problem in a lot of media but particular in fantasy.

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