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[–] ReputedlyDeplorable@lemmy.world 129 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Yeah GRRM thinks too much of his characters, he wrote a match between Jaime Lannister and Rand Al'thor, and Jaime won. Absolutely ridiculous a guy who can wield magic that can burn people out of time vs a guy with a sword.

[–] VaultBoyNewVegas@lemmy.world 61 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Also a guy who reality shapes itself around and therefore doesn't really lose.

[–] EvilHankVenture@lemmy.world 41 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Also he has the memories of hundreds of years of training in the sword.

[–] variants@possumpat.io 14 points 7 months ago

Sometimes things just work out that way

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago

Also when he lost a hand he didn't become a little bitch.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

He turned an entire army into aerosol at the Battle of Dumai's Wells. I'm pretty sure he can handle little Jamie Lanister.

[–] reattach@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

The Wheel weaves as the Wheel willls

[–] OneWomanCreamTeam@sh.itjust.works 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

For real, even without channeling Rand was a basically peerless swordsman.

[–] ThunderclapSasquatch@startrek.website 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Don't bother of them lose their dominant hands?

[–] OneWomanCreamTeam@sh.itjust.works 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yeah. Rand was still inhumanly badass afterwards tho

Being Magic Jesus does that. I think Martin's comments probably refer to pure swordplay, with The Grand Sister Banger being a contender for the most skilled swordsman on the continent he might be able to take Rand if you stripped his subconscious reality bending and channeling.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

Rand broke and reformed existence itself. I don't think he'd be threatened by a little sister fucker.

[–] Wirlocke@lemmy.blahaj.zone 86 points 7 months ago

So one Question I'm always asked. Who would win in a fight? Who would win in a fight if Galactus fought The Hulk, or if Thor fought Iron Man? And there's one answer to all of that. It's so simple, anyone should know this. The person who'd win in a fight is the person that the scriptwriter wants to win!

-Stan Lee

[–] rustyfish@lemmy.world 77 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I think GRRM would declare Ser Pounce the winner in a match against Kratos.

I freaking love ASOIAF, but this guy talks way too much crap sometimes.

[–] BleatingZombie@lemmy.world 17 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I haven't read the books, but it seems like a theme is that everyone is extremely "human". Like no one in the series could miraculously survive a fall of a cliff. That's why I like the show, but I think it would pretty immediately discount anyone from being able to win a fight against a pseudo-superhuman who was able to, almost literally, walk off the damage from falling off a cliff

[–] DragonTypeWyvern 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Or if you do, say, survive a fall from a tower window you don't survive, get magic powers, and become king in the end.

Oh, wait.

[–] nickiwest@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

For me, everything that happens on HBO after Jon is stabbed by his brothers is just high-end fanfic. I will always believe that the showrunners fucked up the ending. And, let's be real, GRRM isn't going to prove me wrong.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern 5 points 7 months ago

They might have rushed it but I'm pretty certain the big plot points are the same. They'd always claimed they had the broad strokes ending from Season 1.

The one thing I could have seen him do was not bring Jon back but it honestly doesn't change that much

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[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 57 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

What I always found weird about this, is that even in universe Martin makes a point that Jamie wasn't as good as he thought he was. He ends up being humbled.

[–] Eatspancakes84@lemmy.world 20 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Right? Jamie is not nearly the best fighter in his own story. How can he possibly beat magical creatures?

[–] Zorque@kbin.social 1 points 7 months ago

Head canon.

[–] then_three_more@lemmy.world 48 points 7 months ago

Some guy with one hand who fucks his own sister.

Now, Aragorn vs Dassem Ultor could be an interesting fight.

[–] myusernameis@lemmy.ca 31 points 7 months ago

JRR-logic: "Well the reader probably likes Aragorn more, so yeah, he gonna die."

[–] Pumafred9@lemmy.world 28 points 7 months ago

https://youtu.be/1-so7GT02ko?si=71VxlrEYYVr9aiQ1

In Deep Geek covered this, and I'll take Roberts opinion on it over GRR Martins.

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 19 points 7 months ago

Gg, Im the perfect amount of drunk to actually very literally lol at this. Am I embraced by this. Perhaps.

But do I imagine Aragorn wondering where that -0hp damage is coming from? Perhaps.

[–] wesley@yall.theatl.social 18 points 7 months ago (3 children)

He also wrote a short story in which 1 armed Jaimie bested Rand al Thor. You can't take him seriously

[–] DragonTypeWyvern 13 points 7 months ago (1 children)

...

Rand would no diff him even if he was still locked in the depression box

[–] NotBillMurray@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago

"You're talking mad shit for someone standing in baelfire range"

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Haha! What a dummy. Rand Al'thor, the champion of the Battle of Dumai's Wells, The Dragon Reborn, the man who broke the world, was bested by a sister fucker with one hand? Okay then!

[–] m_f@midwest.social 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Hadn't read this before, link for anyone else interested: https://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/2010/04/10/trial-of-seven/

Jaimie besting Rand doesn't really make sense there tbh, even with the conceit of taking away Saidin

[–] wesley@yall.theatl.social 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Yeah take away Saidin and Rand is still a master swordsman. He was shielded and killed was able to kill 2 warders, one of them unarmed and the other with the first one's weapon.

I think GRRM did admit he was taking the piss a bit with that one to be fair to him

[–] arymandias@feddit.de 17 points 7 months ago (3 children)

It is a stupid question to begin with, and it was classy from George to give a straightforward answer, and maybe it would have been more classy to say that Aragorn would have won.

But I don’t understand this antipathy towards George, he wrote some great groundbreaking fantasy novels just as Tolkien, and I’m happy I was able to enjoy both.

[–] Zorque@kbin.social 49 points 7 months ago (1 children)

He wrote an unfinished soap opera in book form.

[–] Isoprenoid@programming.dev 35 points 7 months ago

unfinished soap opera

Soap operas are designed to not finish. It was doomed from the start.

[–] exocrinous@startrek.website 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I tried to read A Game Of Thrones and it was so boring. It didn't stay with one character long enough for me to get invested in their story. Too many characters, and not enough writing skill to pull that number off.

I think George should have written a few simpler novels to practice good writing before he went and did a big project like this.

[–] darkphotonstudio@beehaw.org 2 points 7 months ago

I read the first book back in the 00s. This was just before everyone was making these epic, high production TV series. Even so, my first thought was, this would do well as an HBO/Showtime/cable series. My second thought was, I'm not going to bother reading any of the other books. Too many characters that I not only didn't like, but could keep track of. Having a different chapter for each character, and jumping back and forth, not for me.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

Martin is a troll, so he gets treated like a troll. It's as simple as that.

[–] MonkderDritte@feddit.de 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The blonde dude lanaster who gets the metal hand.

[–] MonkderDritte@feddit.de 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] Metamist@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago

Jaime Lannister from Game of thrones

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