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Dude... The VAST VAST VAST VAST VAST majority of indigenous aren't out there "protecting lands", and have no more connection to nature then you or I.
Nice casual racism though!
And that other 90% of humanity is working to industrialize to get where we are. It's a massive issue that as far as I'm aware we have no solution to.
What does "indigenous" even fucking mean. I'm of European descent living in Europe, motherfucker I'm the indigenous one around here.
This comic pretty directly equates "indigenous" with "brown & too poor to meaningfully impact their own ecosystems" (which isn't true either because poor countries have a pretty good track record of destroying their own ecosystems as well).
Saying "humans are a plague" is some edgelord type shit. Equating it with fascism is just dumb and dilutes the term "fascism", and on top of that they've managed to illustrate it in one of the most racist ways I've had the displeasure to read in a while.
Maybe I can give the author some slack and assume they're being a typical yankee and completely disregarding the rest of the world, and trying to be progressive by supporting the work Native American reserves do. But even then it's inexcusably dumb.
Fuck... I never thought about indigenous Europeans. Does this mean Brexit was technically an anti-colonism movement?
Yeah, while I agree with the core message rebuking ecofascism and pointing out that environmental damage is a capitalistic issue, depicting indigenous folks as the sole tenders of the land is some Noble Savage shit.
Funny, because I’m a native of turtle island, and happen to be very involved with indigenous land protection across multiple continents in collaboration with literally hundreds of unique cultures, all of which are protecting lands and water.
Then this is a good opportunity for you to check your confirmation bias. You and I both know you're not replying to me with a coconut radio.
Funny that you think that the only way to protect things is by being a Luddite or something
I think it's hypocritical.
You haven’t done a good job of explaining why thus far.
Other people seem to have no issue understanding. I think my coconut comment was on point, and the fact that you responded referencing Luddites shows I've explained myself perfectly fine.
What specifically don't you understand about me saying I think this is hypocritical?
Well, when you live in huts like cavemen and your population is very spread out, of course you’re going to be less impactful. Shrinking the population WOULD help, no matter how much you scream about eugenics and fascism. Gonna be downvoted for this, but it’s just my opinion at the end of the day. No need to get butthurt, keyboard warriors.
What an extremely bigoted thing to say. Most of the worlds indigenous people don’t “live in huts like cavemen”. Where they do have poor living conditions, these are usually a product of external colonization and/or forced migrations leaving them in lands hostile to human life. You realize there are still over 6 million indigenous people in the US, right? Almost 500 million worldwide.
Yeah, shrinking the population would totally help, if we shrank the population starting at the top.
NEVER trust the vehement anti-natalist movements. It's thinly veiled eugenics that brands itself as super-moral.
I mean, shrinking the population would absolutely help assuming that you shrunk it enough.
It's hard to destroy an environment when the destroyers dont exist.
Sure, or we could just ban super yachts, private jets, cruise ships and empower those indigenous communities who have had such meaningful successes to spread their ideas and understanding so that we can begin to develop a sustainable culture, and we don’t need to kill half the worlds population.
¿por que no los dos?
Also, not half the population, more like 99.9% of it. Start with the richest first, and work your way down.
I mean, were you paying attention? The answer to why not is because it’s eco-fascist rhetoric and I’m not an eco-fash.
Reminder that almost every single one of us is part of the world's richest 10%.
Agreed. Exactly why we need to listen to these marginalized communities, and empower them to take action on our behalf and with our cooperation. It’s why no matter how good I think my ideas are, I try to recognize that I come from a position of relative privilege, and that it is likely that even my best of ideas will be lacking in intersectional analysis that is needed to develop real, powerful solutions.
we need to listen to these marginalized communities.
Dude... Why are you speaking as if you're not indigenous now?
and that it is likely that even my best of ideas will be lacking in intersectional analysis that is needed to develop real, powerful solutions.
It turns out the solution to global warming was friendship all along 🌈
Because I’m relatively privileged and live the imperial core, and thus am not marginalized nearly as much as others, and in fact have a wide array of privileges more than most in marginalized communities. The ones coming up with truly radical, meaningful, workable solutions will be from groups more marginalized than I.
The ones coming up with truly radical, meaningful, workable solutions will be from groups more marginalized than I.
Based on what?
The fact that they already have significantly better outcomes in terms of land stewardship compared to dominant groups.
The fact that only those in a marginalized community will be able to effectively understand and create policy that addresses marginalization in meaningful ways.
The fact that nearly every truly meaningful radical idea has already come out of marginalized groups, and will, by all available evidence, continue to do so.
The fact that they already have significantly better outcomes in terms of land stewardship compared to dominant groups.
Generalizations suck. Over 80% of Canada is undeveloped. And just aside from that, our ecological issues are far greater then land stewardship.
The fact that only those in a marginalized community will be able to effectively understand and create policy that addresses marginalization in meaningful ways.
I don't see how this is relevant.
The fact that nearly every truly meaningful radical idea has already come out of marginalized groups, and will, by all available evidence, continue to do so.
Oh really? EVERY truly meaningful radical idea has come out of marginalized groups? You're telling me white people haven't contributed at all? Seriously.. That's the position you're taking.
Ultimately my problem with everything you're saying is it's rooted in racism. I can't support that shit.