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[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 50 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Sounds like the proper answer is to legalize the drugs, nationalize the cartel's, and call the US drug policy out for the farce it is.

[–] andrewth09@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago

nationalize the cartel

You and what army?

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Mexico is pretty socially conservative, I think. I can't see that happening.

[–] bibliotectress@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

They are, and normally I'd agree with you, but they just recently legalized abortion and that SHOCKED me. So who knows?! Mexico might do anything!

[–] Katrisia@lemm.ee 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Technically, Mexico has had only two presidents from a right-wing party. Before, they were from the centrist party. The current president is a very well known leftist.

The country was bombarded with religion for centuries, so maybe you are thinking of that, but even so, the majority support a version of religion that mixes a "social concern for the poor and political liberation for oppressed peoples" with spirituality. It is similar to the recent declarations of Pope Francis about Marxists and Christians having a common goal It is called liberation theology.

Also, Mexico tried to legalize drugs back in 1940. It was promoted by a psychiatrist that informed the government that substance abuse was a mental disorder, which was very progressive for the era. Here is the story.

Of course, if you dig deeper, you'll know the United States basically coerced Mexico into criminalizing drugs again.

Around half the population still supports drug legalization, even after years of propaganda. The commenter below was shocked about abortion legalization. Abortion is legal in many places. Same-sex marriage is also legal, even in some more right-leaning states. A couple years ago, a transgender clinic with free care was opened in Mexico City. Similarly, free healthcare and many other welfare initiatives such as free education (including universities) are common and not negotiable for the average Mexican.

So, yeah, I guess you'll find homophobic old people, religious nuts, or lately, U.S.-influenced right-wing supporters, but Mexico is overall progressive as I see it. Even historically:

Slave abolition was one of the first things Mexico did as an independent country, around 1810-1817. The first black president in 1829. Safe place for U.S. slaves to escape and live as free people during the 19th century. First native (indigenous) president in 1858. The Constitution has been protecting native populations' rights since 1917. During the 20th century, there were big movements in favor of socialism (e.g., agrarian socialists called zapatistas, or students' movements in the National Autonomous University of Mexico). The list goes on... The first woman president is probably happening this year.

I hope this puts things into perspective, and sorry for infodumping!

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 10 months ago

Thank you, I have been infodumped. Did you know that Amlo has also been pretty upfront about his opposition to feminism?

Look, I have no issue with Mexico specifically, but let's not pretend being economically leftist is the same thing as being enlightened on social issues. Or even that being enlightened on something like race means that you have cool ideas about gender.

[–] jonwyattphillips@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] doubtingtammy@lemmy.ml 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The reason fentanyl is so prevalent is because it's easy to smuggle. The reason it's so deadly is it's hard to accurately dose. Legalization immediately solves both of those problems.

[–] cooljacob204@kbin.social 30 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (6 children)

How many bus full of Mexicans must get slaughtered before he will fight them on behalf of Mexicans?

[–] protist@mander.xyz 14 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

It really seems like he has been fighting them, at least significantly more than previous presidents

[–] possum@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

How is this “fight” being represented? I ask, because in more than one occasion he’s been seen being close to El Chapo’s mother, do you mean he’s “fighting” cartels by negotiating with them? Or does this fight mean rather things like shouting “more hugs, less shootings”, or his menacing “I’ll tell on you to your mothers!” to the cartels?

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[–] FireTower@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago

In June 2023, he said of one drug gang that had abducted 14 police officers: “I’m going to tell on you to your fathers and grandfathers,” suggesting they should get a good spanking.

Didn't expect to read that in an AP article.

[–] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If there's a better policy that helps Mexico as a whole which isn't what the US wants, I'd love to hear it. Something tells me "not fighting drug cartels" isn't it.

[–] undergroundoverground@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Legalising and taxing all drugs.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That wouldn’t help

The problem isn’t drug use in Mexico, the problem is drugs going to the US

[–] undergroundoverground@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yes to the first part but what do you think would happen to the American drug market if they did that?

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I don’t forsee mass immigration of Americans to Mexico

[–] undergroundoverground@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Neither do I. I'm not sure of your point?

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That legalization of drugs in Mexico isn’t going to get rid of cartels

That is very obvious in my first comment where I say it won’t help

[–] undergroundoverground@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Okay but you are aware that you just declared it wouldn't help, despite evidence to the contrary right?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/14/legal-marijuana-medical-use-crime-rate-plummets-us-study

https://www.sandiego.edu/news/detail.php?_focus=84160

It cuts into their profits given them less clout and less reason to kill each other. As such, it will help, as can be seen with the example of weed.

Edit: in fact, the only reason drugs remain illegal at all is because some very wealth and powerful people make too much money from it remaining so. Well, that and so the CIA can fund illegal wars around the world.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

You are aware that your articles talk about American legalization and are irrelevant to the topic at hand because the Mexican president doesn’t not hold jurisdiction over the US

[–] undergroundoverground@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Of course I'm aware.

Wait, are you trying to tell me you think it wouldn't translate into helping, if they did it on the other side of the boarder too? I have to check because that's pretty wild.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

We are only talking about Mexico here

Mexico having a policy of legalizing all drugs isn’t going to stop the violence because the violence comes from people selling to the US. No cartel is worried they are going to get arrested in Mexico for having these substances

[–] undergroundoverground@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Yes, yes we are talking about Mexico. Any hit to the cartels profits, be it in America or Mexico, is going to help battle the cartels, even if you don't want to beleive it and even if you declare it not to be true.

You see, they actually sell drugs in Mexico too. Itll also bring down the price of drugs in the US, as the market will be flooded. Its really not hard. You just don't like it and that's not the same thing as it not helping.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Be my guest to prove me wrong then

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[–] mstrk@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Adding to your comment, I think they should have different percentages of taxing as well. For example heroin should be taxed way higher than cannabis.

[–] No1@aussie.zone 3 points 10 months ago

Mexico should build a wall and get the US to pay for it and Make Mexico Great Again.

Oh, wait....

[–] DmMacniel@feddit.de 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Operation Reciprocity when?

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

LOL, I feel that one. That novel is where I learned the word.

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