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[–] Immersive_Matthew@sh.itjust.works 83 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I really do wonder how much of Gaza and its people are left standing and alive? Like what the real numbers of deaths are as the fog of war makes it so hard to really know. I fear once the world really reacts it will be too late. Maybe already is. So upsetting. All the wars are upsetting to me and so unnecessary.

[–] underisk@lemmy.ml 90 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Targeting the hospitals was a deliberate tactic to make this kind of information harder to reliably gather and disseminate.

[–] filister@lemmy.world 76 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Targeting journalists and UNRWA was also a deliberate attack to suppress the information going out of Gaza and also to cause the biggest possible suffering to the civilian population.

[–] underisk@lemmy.ml 40 points 6 months ago

I feel its also important to note that they target more than just the journalists themselves, they also target their families. It's really is staggering how deep the depravity goes.

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 23 points 6 months ago

Targeting all network and power infrastructure also prevented many people from sharing information on their phones.

[–] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 4 points 6 months ago

And how many are not severely traumatized. Probably close to zero.

[–] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 63 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (16 children)

Better late than never I guess

no world in which the forced famine of 1.1 million people cannot be considered genocide

She should consider also applying this knowledge to the embargo on the Cuban people

Edit: Obviously not trying to downplay the genocide in Gaza if it came across like that.

[–] otter@lemmy.ca 69 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

I think she's done that as well

https://ocasio-cortez.house.gov/media/press-releases/statement-rep-ocasio-cortez-demonstrations-cuba

We also must name the U.S. contribution to Cuban suffering: our sixty-year-old embargo. Last month, once again, the U.N. voted overwhelmingly to call on the United States to lift its embargo on Cuba. The embargo is absurdly cruel and, like too many other U.S. policies targeting Latin Americans, the cruelty is the point. I outright reject the Biden administration’s defense of the embargo. It is never acceptable for us to use cruelty as a point of leverage against every day people

[–] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 18 points 6 months ago
[–] TimLovesTech@badatbeing.social 47 points 6 months ago (2 children)

AOC has been calling for a cease fire and more aid since last year. She might not have used the word genocide until now, but it's not like she has been cool with things up till now either.

[–] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 11 points 6 months ago

Honestly this whole drama is so immature.

"What Israel is doing is terrible, on top of their mistreatment of the Palestinian people for decades they've now crossed a line and seem to be willing to remove them all from existence. This is a genocide, and we should enforce a cease fire and an embargo."

"What Israel is doing is terrible, on top of their mistreatment of the Palestinian people for decades they've now crossed a line and are killing people indiscriminately. The fact that some people are calling it a genocide is telling of the immense gravity of the situation, and we should enforce a cease fire and an embargo."

"How could you NOT call it a genocide??!?!?"

Both statements are virtually the same thing, have the same worries and are calling for the same solutions, yet the later get shat on because it doesn't virtue signal. There are lots of seemingly dumb reasons why politicians and PR departments may choose to use some terms and avoid others, and some of those decisions are mere pragmatism that doesn't change in essence their goal or effect. I think AOC has flaws, just like almost any politician, but making a gigantic deal out of this smells like it's been promoted by grifters looking to start drama.

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

At the beginning she was very much on the Israel side. The well known "israel has the right to defend themselves". Even back then Israel was hitting hospitals.

She only flipped recently. Faster than the pure establishment Democrats, but still a very bad look.

[–] TimLovesTech@badatbeing.social 14 points 6 months ago (3 children)

This article from back in October of '23 does not state that at all, and I never read her take the position of "Israel has the right to defend themselves", but rather the opposite.

Earlier, she called the events of the weekend “devastating for all those seeking a lasting peace and respect for human rights in Israel and Palestine” and said, “I condemn Hamas’ attack in the strongest possible terms.”

But she also called for an “immediate ceasefire and de-escalation".™

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 3 points 6 months ago

But it's easier to make things up without citation, so people are probably going to, in the end, believe the other guys sadly.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., condemned the “bigotry and callousness” displayed at a pro-Palestinian rally held this weekend and promoted by some of her allies.

The rally had been promoted by Democratic Socialists of America, a left-wing group that helped elect Ocasio-Cortez and other progressives, but it faced criticism from some of its own elected officials for endorsing the event, which was held even before Israel had been able to count the dead.

“It should not be hard to shut down hatred and antisemitism where we see it. That is a core tenet of solidarity,” Ocasio-Cortez said in a statement first shared with Politico's New York affiliate late Monday.

“The bigotry and callousness expressed in Times Square on Sunday were unacceptable and harmful in this devastating moment," the congresswoman continued. "It also did not speak for the thousands of New Yorkers who are capable of rejecting both Hamas’ horrifying attacks against innocent civilians as well as the grave injustices and violence Palestinians face under occupation.”

She calls protest marchers anti-Semitic ?

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

No, there were pro-Palastine people at the event who were being anti-Semitic and she called them out. But in the article you see that while she has called the attack by Hamas an evil act she also stated that it was brought about by Israel's treatment of Arabs in that country. She's been asking for them to not slaughter innocent Palestinians since the beginning. It's literally right there at the end of everything you quoted.

“The bigotry and callousness expressed in Times Square on Sunday were unacceptable and harmful in this devastating moment," the congresswoman continued. "It also did not speak for the thousands of New Yorkers who are capable of rejecting both Hamas’ horrifying attacks against innocent civilians as well as the grave injustices and violence Palestinians face under occupation.”

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 13 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Pretty bad comparison when Cubans have higher life expectancy than Americans.

[–] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 28 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

That's thanks to the excellent healthcare system. The country is still lacking in food, medical supplies, and building materials — all of which could just be imported as necessary like any other country if not for the embargo.

[–] TopRamenBinLaden@sh.itjust.works 9 points 6 months ago

At this point, I think some American politicians and policy makers are afraid of Cuba surpassing the US in living conditions if the embargo is dropped, and Cuba is given a fair shot. A thriving Cuba would serve as fodder for a leftward push in politics in the US, and I don't think any of the lobbyists or their puppets want that, at all.

Not to mention that, given the average age of said politicians and policy makers, one can only assume many of their brains are heavily washed with the Red Scare era propaganda.

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[–] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 50 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Nothing 'unfolding' about it. It's been mission genocide since day one.

[–] maynarkh@feddit.nl 19 points 6 months ago

Yeah, it's more "intensifying".

[–] gmtom@lemmy.world 21 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Pls run for president in 2028

[–] Boiglenoight@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago
[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 20 points 6 months ago

Yeah I like to think that the threats to remove congressmen who use the word genocide to describe the actions of an ally have started to lose power since the ICJ ruling and the more recent War Crimes accusations.

[–] linkshandig@lemm.ee 19 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Oh good, the bullying worked

[–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The focus groups on whether or not using the term genocide would lose or gain support finally reported in.

A reminder that even the good politicians fucking aren't.

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[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)

AOC has had this position from the start. I'm getting so sick of edgy cynicism. If you really gave a shit then you would be paying more attention instead of seeking it.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml -1 points 6 months ago

Not calling it a Genocide is complicity

[–] honeynut@lemm.ee 3 points 6 months ago

the most present politician in congress

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