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[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 52 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I've been waiting for this for ages, I still think letting your main competitor decide when you can release a product is just absurd.

Apple didn't give a shit about android users getting tracked when they launched air tags.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 16 points 8 months ago

Then again they aren't Apple. Google doesn't have the Apple's accidental perception of being privacy oriented. Which is nonsense in reality but nevertheless people will look at the exact same solution from Google and interpret it as another privacy invading spying device.

In addition, Google has created and contributed to a shit ton of open source software that has required collaboration with communities and companies, all of which requires going the extra mile to get others onboard.

[–] Moonrise2473@feddit.it 20 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Meanwhile my Pixel never detected the air tag that's on my keychain since September and so it's traveling with the phone all the time. It should detect and warn me...

[–] bandwidthcrisis@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

Mine never warned me about 2 airtags in the house, until I drove on a trip with them in the luggage.

But yours must have been traveling with you, maybe there's some algorithm that decides that they have been around so long that they belong to you.

[–] Neato@ttrpg.network 18 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It’s for this reason that Google in late July announced that it was delaying the launch of the Find My Device network. Google said that it would be “working in partnership with Apple to help finalize the joint unwanted tracker alert specification by the end of this year.”

Delaying it because right now iOS can't detect unwanted trackers and google and apple are working together to create a spec for it for them.

[–] FragmentedChicken@lemdro.id 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Apple was waiting for a production implementation of the spec which was published in December. The ball has been in their court since then.

[–] matcha_addict@lemy.lol 11 points 8 months ago

I don't really understand why Google needs to wait to release.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I've had a Chipolo preorder since last July.

[–] GingeyBook@lemm.ee 6 points 8 months ago

They'll come any day now 🥲

[–] mindlight@lemm.ee 7 points 8 months ago (2 children)

So if phones essentially are BLE beacons I fail how Apple/Google plan to detect unwanted trackers.

All I have to do is register a new playstore account and use that to track a specific tag/phone.

Someone care to explain what I'm missing here?

[–] rufus@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I think it's supposed to make your phone notify you if you move and there is another unknown BLE device constantly moving with you. That means someone put one of those small keyfobs in your backpack. It'd be a known BLE device if you put it there yourself and added it to your account.

[–] mindlight@lemm.ee 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

So going to work on the commuter train will be A LOT of buzzing on your phone?

Sounds like there's more to it than that.

[–] rufus@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

There is a threshold. It won't complain if you're 30mins on the train. Or driving 2h with a friend. But it will make a noise if something is following you for the better part of the day. I made up the numbers, it's been a while since I read how those things are supposed to work. And I think they changed things. AirTags will beep at random intervals like a smoke alarm once they lost sight of their paired iPhone. That's so other people can find them. And Apple can also see if the paired iPhone is traveling along. So they can make a distinction if someone put a tracker in your backpack, or if it's in their backpack and they're sitting with you in the car.

[–] xor@infosec.pub 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

ok, the phone doesn't register every ble device it sees, just tracking ones...
and then there's an issue of registering the trackers, and some encryption involved.

it still doesn't work and some neato undetectable trackers have already been made, thanks to apple's implementation.

[–] lemann@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Third party apps like AirGuard will track all BLE devices and beacons around you, recording the detection location on a map. I just checked mine and it's full of random iPhones, "Find My" tags, AirPods, and just 1 Tile

It also has a separate risk analysis section for tracking tags whose identifiers may be randomized for privacy

[–] xor@infosec.pub 3 points 8 months ago

air guard is really good... but with the fake ones that randomize the mac address every beacon, it just registers a weirdly high number of devices... you have to look at it manually to catch it...