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Three plaintiffs testified about the trauma they experienced carrying nonviable pregnancies.

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[–] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And the far right are going to claim she's faking it like the disgusting people they are.

[–] rarely@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The thing the right fears most is the truth.

[–] alsimoneau@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My understanding of it (based on discussions with my mom) is that they don't fear the truth, they fear being wrong, because if they are wrong they then don't have an answer anymore and it is deeply uncomfortable.

The issue with this is that if you never acknowledge that you may be wrong, you can never learn.

[–] KpntAutismus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

something i recently learned is: you can change your opinion, this literally changed my life. if you feel your opinion is wrong, don't stick to it. stick to facts and science.

[–] alsimoneau@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, that is the whole point of the scientific method: you can only prove that something is wrong. It's can be uncomfortable to realise that all our foundations could be destroyed at any time, but it is the only logical position one can hold.

[–] KpntAutismus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

this is the way.

[–] PrincessLeiasCat@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ashley Brandt, a Dallas resident, said she was pregnant with twins but learned one had a fatal condition called acrania. The longer she carried it, the more it jeopardized the survival of her other twin.

oh my god....

[–] FattestMattest@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't think you can be any more "pro life" than putting 2 other healthy people at risk to save the life of a baby that's going to die.

[–] journey01@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Don't forget many "pro lifers" are in the same demographic as pro death penalty.

[–] MostlyBirds@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Any doctor who complies with this ban is a worthless piece of shit. Not as bad as the subhumans who wrote it and voted for it, but pretty fucking close.

[–] MasterObee@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

"Physicians who violate Texas’s abortion laws can lose their medical licenses, face up to 99 years in prison or incur fines of at least $100,000, according to the Center for Reproductive Rights"

You wouldn't have to deal with any decision as hard as this. How can you say a doctor is complicit? They're likely just doing their best then a law gets put in place threatening life in prison.

Unless you're put in that position, you have no room to say that shit.

[–] GentlemanLoser@reddthat.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Aliendelarge@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How is that applicable to this particular discussion?

[–] GentlemanLoser@reddthat.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's the first fucking line of their oath

Take the risk and provide the help or move to a state that allows you to help. Going along with the fascists isn't the answer.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, it isn't. Physicians do not take the Hippocratic Oath. That is an anachronism.

[–] Aliendelarge@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It also wasn't the first line in any version I can find.

[–] GentlemanLoser@reddthat.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Okay cool they don't take an oath. Carry on 💪

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Physicians literally murder (in the moral if not legal sense) patients because the state pays them to. The state doesn't even force them to, it just offers them a bit of money to execute prisoners, and they do it willingly. The entire medical system in the USA is deeply, deeply corrupt. It does not exist to help people, it exists to serve its own capitalist needs. Yes, they still take an oath today; a meaningless one that permits all that and more.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago

Um, what? Citation needed, badly. All I've ever heard about this issue is that things like lethal injections are routinely fucked up because nobody with medical training is willing to participate.

[–] Spacebar@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Horrible laws written mostly by men against women. Men who will never and have never been affected by what they are prohibiting.

It's so gross and infuriating.

[–] LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago

Even if it did affect them through someone they knew, the people writing the laws can afford to circumvent them. Make no mistake, these people do get abortions banned or not.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Have you SEEN an anti-abortion rally? LOTS of women.

[–] DeadDjembe@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Men are the ones making the laws. And they have no idea about the biology. Take the politician from Ohio for example, who suggested that an ectopic pregnancy should be reimplanted into the uterus.

[–] CaptionAdam@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As a man I find the biology interesting to learn. I'm pretty sure e topic is due to the womb not forming correctly is it not? I'm probably wrong, but atleast I know that its impossible to save an ectopic pregnancy

[–] Shou@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not quite, but a good guess anyway. Ectopic pregnancies can happen to anyone.

The uterine (fallopian) tubes are not homolog to the vas deferens. They are actually extensions from the uterus. They are not sealed to the ovaries and simply open up in the abdomonal cavity. They have tentacle like potrusions which try to grab onto eggs released by the ovary. When they fail at their job, the egg ends up somewhere in the abdomonal cavity.

Transplantation is impossible for multiple reasons. One has to do with the placenta not forming inside either. You'd have to sever the supply and expect it to heal before a fetus dies. Another has to do with surgery on pregnant women should be avoided as much as possible. Then there is also the problen of fitting a fetus into the uterus. Imagine trying to fit a frail balloon inside a smaller tougher balloon. Surgery like this could result in the fetus simply not making it through alive. If it did, it could also mess up its own signaling and result in a miscarriage.

Even if all that were possible. The risk to the mother's health would make it not worth it. Surgical intervention would damage the surrounding tissues. Imagine leaving a fresh suture on a uterus that needs to expand massively within weeks to months.

[–] CaptionAdam@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Thank you for correcting my miss understanding👍️

[–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

You say men as in like about 4 billion people are huddling in a room all evil like crunching up laws to make women's lives worst which is certainly not the case.

Also kind of a moot point as the same minority of "men" as you say creating laws, also create laws that don't benefit men in general at all.

[–] DeadDjembe@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

apologies, you are correct, it is not all men. I forgot to qualify it, it is white christian men who push their religion onto the rest of society. And I say this as a white male raised christian.

[–] starlinguk@kbin.social -1 points 1 year ago

"Not all men" is always the wrong response.

[–] CaptionAdam@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

I dont disagree but they create laws that fuck everyone over men, women, trans, cis, straight, Queer. It doesn't matter, but the current ones are focused on controls over women, and their bodys

[–] CalvinCopyright@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

Don't tell me what to do.

They're not evil per se, it's just that they're after power, and they don't care if they do evil things to get power... which, to a lot of people, means they're evil. And yes, this is the actual Republican platform - straight white Christian men getting power over people who aren't straight and white and Christian and male. In the pursuit of the 'right' people telling the 'wrong' people what to do, and in the pursuit of keeping the 'wrong' people from telling the 'right' people what to do, anything goes. Hypocrisy, lies, crime, election fraud, subverting courts, coups, false patriotism, false piety, terrorism, even outright murder... anything goes.

Know the enemy, spread the word to your friends and family (and maybe further).