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[–] nuke@sh.itjust.works 23 points 7 months ago
[–] Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.works 20 points 7 months ago (2 children)
[–] nuke@sh.itjust.works 34 points 7 months ago (2 children)
[–] dasgoat@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago

Apparently on the day that Ceasar Kunikov died as well. What a nice remembrance of the man.

[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world -4 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Any actual footage and not just an article?

[–] nuke@sh.itjust.works 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

There's a video in the article at the very top of the page.

[–] verity_kindle@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

I am a bit of a Black Sea Bingo Card enthusiast, too. It all started when I was a wee graduate student with no life. I learned to sail on the Delaware and poured all my love into old ships held together with dutchmen and aluminum tape......

[–] _xDEADBEEF@lemm.ee -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

yes, if you don't live under a rock

[–] verity_kindle@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

Come on, he or she could be at work or somethin, have pity. I live in flyover country and I have to live for the comments alone due to a potato connection and no wifi. Can't look at imgur posts, etc.

[–] bradorsomething@ttrpg.network 16 points 7 months ago

Ceasar didn’t make it to march.

[–] merthyr1831@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

~~Pretty old footage (like a week+ old) but~~ (that was a different sinking oops)

what strikes me as surprising is that there's pretty much zero CIWS or other anti-drone weaponry on the ship. You see a few splashes ahead of the drones but nothing indicating sophisticated, or rapid-fire weapons that could've actually hit these drones easily.

[–] nuke@sh.itjust.works 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Old? What are you talking about this just happened yesterday

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68292602

[–] merthyr1831@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

yep my bad, mixing it up with another sinking by naval drone

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

there was another ship sunk two weeks ago, Tarantul-class Ivanovets. in both cases the same type of drone was used and in both cases the uploaded video was IR so it looks similar. just because you can't keep up with black sea fleet losses doesn't mean these aren't real

[–] merthyr1831@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Didn't say it wasn't real, just that I saw similar footage a few weeks back and thought this was just a late announcement (Sometimes they don't officially sink for a while).

My surprise is more that these drone attacks are so effective when modern warships are meant to be able to defeat cruise missiles, but the equivalent of a kamikaze speedboat is able to surpass it lmao

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Lots of thing are supposed to be but aren't. Moskva had CIWS but sank with its targeting radar in transit position ie it was never engaged

[–] merthyr1831@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

skill issue fr

[–] _xDEADBEEF@lemm.ee 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

at this point, i wouldn't be surprised rusty SKSs and mosins are the CIWs.

[–] verity_kindle@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

Empty bottles were good enough for the Bolsheviks, they're good enough for me.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

What's the percent of tonnage the Black Sea Fleet has lost at this point?

[–] verity_kindle@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

Well, you have to calculate how much water and frozen mud the Kuznetsov has inside him. How floaty is "floating"?

[–] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

you might be not far off

update 2: if my math is correct, and it's probably a bit off, then ignoring the grayed out ships and counting destroyed + damaged it's somewhere in the ballpark of 35%

[–] JustUseMint@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

Pretty fucking good for a country with no navy lol

[–] verity_kindle@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Thanks for the chart. That's not many options, when you count the ships that are in maintenance/refitting cycle after an "accident", or even scheduled maintenance. EDIT: changed "even if you disregard" to "when you count".

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 7 months ago

Askold is listed as "damaged" for example, i guess technically it is

[–] Apollonius_Cone@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

A whole new meaning to, "My ship just came in."

[–] atocci@kbin.social 1 points 7 months ago

From the title, I had assumed the War Thunder forums were at it again.