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I feel like I wrote this post from time to time on Reddit and I think I'll start this tradition here. I'm. a Honor Harrington fan. I've read several other space operas and they always fall short. The three that came close were Lt. Leary, Kris Longknife and Vorkosigan saga. Lt. Leary was nice, but it failed on World building. Kris Longknife also failed on world building and had astronomical levels of cringe with aliens and plot, but I enjoyed it. Vorkosigan saga had better world building and it was nice overall, but the books without Miles Vorkosigan weren't enjoyable. There were other series that I enjoyed: Serrano Legacy, Vatta's War (those are some of my favorites but they were too short), Starship's mage (it declines with every new book), The Lost Fleet (it has a serious plot problem, the plot doesn't move forward), Old Man's War (it was really nice), Dread Empire Fall (also awesome), Teixcalaan (good, but short), Alarm of War (good, but short and pretty generic), Bobbiverse (I read until book 3, it isn't for me), Red Rising 1st trilogy (really nice, but too Hunger Gamish, this whole dividing society into a cast system is getting old), Ark Royal. The Three Body Problem was awesome and, contrary to most series, didn't leave me craving more after it was over. Edit: forgot to mention The Expanse, it was OK.

I think that what won me over on HH was the fact that she is a complete Mary Sue and other character don't fall far from the tree, there is a nice world building, characters die, and there is a ton of action.

On the other hand, there are some long books that I enjoy that aren't space operas. I really enjoy the Dresden Files (because he is cool and it is a long series), I absolutely love Jack Reacher (it is just a nice fun read, it's like a nice Big Mac), I also enjoy The Spellmonger series, and I enjoyed the Riyria. I disliked Takeshi Kovacs (lack of sequence and plot) and I absolutely hate Southern Reach (VanderMeer), and there is another popular sci-fi book that is written as a report, which I also hated. I don't like those very innovative mystery stories where you are trying to figure out wtf is going on or waiting for a plot to start until the middle of the book.

Got any suggestions? =)

(OMG, after writing this post, I see myself as an incredible hard reader to please)

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[–] A_Wild_Zeus_Chase@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Two obvious suggestions are Frank Herbert’s “Dune” series, and Issac Asimov’s “Foundation” series.

Both are sci-fi classics (Dune is still the best selling sci-fi book of all time I believe) and are space operas of a massive scope.

They are also some of my personal favorites.

[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I also immensely enjoyed Asimov's "Robot" books. Three fun little whodunnit's set in an interesting universe.

[–] Transcendant@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

About four years ago, on a whim I decided to buy the entire Asimov scifi collection (inc short stories which I'm usually not keen on). Really surprised me how prescient and creative he was, considering how long ago it was written.

He has a really 'comfy' writing style, only way I can explain it... trying to read some hard scifi afterwards was a bit of a slog. Like a reading version of wading through treacle.

[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 year ago

And he's funny, too!

You always hear about how forward thinking and philosophical his stories were, never how human and alive his characters are, or how he regularly gets a smile out of the reader.

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[–] Qualanqui@lemmy.nz 28 points 1 year ago (3 children)

No love for Iain M Banks? The Culture series looks like it will tick all your boxes and instead of following a single protagonist the Culture itself is the protagonist so each book has it's own cast of interesting characters.

[–] NuPNuA@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

I second this. The Culture cycle is one of the best space opera series ever written.

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[–] Transcendant@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Dan Simmons - Hyperian ~~K~~Cantos. Four books in the series, well worth a read imo... I loved it

Adrian Tchaikovsky - Children of Time / Children of Ruin / Children of Memory (not read the third but am sure it'll be as good as the first two)

[–] sirswizzlestix@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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[–] ShitpostCentral@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

A Fire Upon the Deep by Vernor Vinge. I liked the prequel, A Deepness in the Sky even more.

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I loved anything Vinge put out. Always good reading.

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[–] zanyllama52@infosec.pub 3 points 1 year ago

Fantastic book, I had no clue there was a prequel. I must acquire this.

[–] BongRipsMcGee420@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Reality Dysfunction, Hyperion, Red Rising, Dune, The Expanse, Foundation, The Mote in God's Eye

[–] IronRain@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

The Expanse and Red Rising series is exactly what he's looking for! Also the Bobbiverse is a decent addition!

[–] sirswizzlestix@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

++ Hyperion by Dan Simmons. One of my favorites

[–] Ace0fBlades@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Second Red Rising! Ender's Game combined with Hunger Games. Then the next books kick off with space combat, mech suits, & political intrigue

[–] timetravelingnoodles@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Pandora’s Star and the sequel Judas Unchained by Peter F Hamilton

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[–] Kayel@aussie.zone 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Alastair Reynolds - Revelation space i.e. Inhibitor sequence

Peter F Hamilton - Void trilogy in the Commonwealth universe

[–] ser@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

+1 for both authors.

Hamilton has great characters and great sci-fi.

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[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Children Of Time Trilogy.

Amazing books that explore topics like Consciousness and Intelligence from angles you wouldn't expect

[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Also Adrian Tchaikovsky's new series, the Final Architecture. Two books in, so far so very good.

[–] cevn@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

I just finished the second book. We’re going on an adventure…

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy 🌌 . Probably not what you’re looking for.

[–] DoisBigo@lemmy.eco.br 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've read it and it is awesome. Worth mentioning whenever someone wants a light read.

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[–] Car@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 year ago

John Scalzi's Old Man's War series was a long and pretty interesting read.

Premise starts out as a "humanity vs the stars" kind of story, but instead of sending young people to their deaths, the futuristic human society instead recruits old people who have already lived full lives. You can enlist towards the end of your natural life to transfer your mind to a (photo)synthetic purpose-built humanoid super soldier body. If you survive a period of time (5 years?), you earn another shot at life and can elect to become a colonist for far away worlds. Most don't get that far.

Your usual "long-term relationship tensions," "humans are always bad guys," "what will technology think of next?" tropes apply.

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Revelation Space.

Niven's Ringworld series

Foundation?

[–] becool@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Revelation Space! Yes, yes, yes! Pick them up and don't look back.

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[–] karmiclychee@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago

It's not one of the Culture novels, but The Algebraist by Iain Banks is one of my favorite one book cover to cover operas.

[–] redditron_2000_4@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

The Damned trilogy by Alan Dean Foster Hyperion by Dan Simmons The Culture series by Iain M Banks

[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Have you read any of Alastair Reynolds's books?

House of Suns, while just a single book, felt like it had one of the biggest universes I'd ever read a story set in, and is my favorite sci-fi book, ever.

For something bigger, look into his Revelation Space series. It's a bunch of books, some connected, some not, all set in the same universe.

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[–] elephantium@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

If you like Star Wars (original trilogy, that is), I'd recommend Heir to the Empire by Timothy Zahn. I can also recommend his Conquerer's trilogy and Cobra series.

I liked The Lost Fleet, personally. The space battles are excellent, and they're quick reads. Agreed about the plot, though, it takes a while. Worth it overall IMO.

You might consider the Iron Druid series, too. It's written in a lighter tone than the Dresden Files, but it's got a similar vibe.

You might check out Dead Witch Walking by Kim Harrison, too. It's another urban fantasy with an interesting world premise. I struggle a little to recommend it -- I lost interest fairly quickly, but if you don't mind some romance in your urban fantasy, you might like it more than I did. And if you do like it, it's a long series, over a dozen books!

[–] Cmot_Dibbler@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Even if you don't think you're into Warhammer 40k you should check out the books. There's 100's of them and are actually very good. I put them off for a long time because i thought they'd just be battle porn. They are well written with compelling narratives, great characters, a sprawling galaxy full of different aliens and factions, and of course the aforementioned war porn.

If you are hesitant like i was, i recommend starting with the first three books in the Horrus Heresy. There's like 40 something of them but the first three you could read and put down satisfied without continuing if you wanted.

I always list the three books out for people because there's so many it's easy to get lost looking for them.

Horrus Rising, False Gods, Galaxy in Flames

As for a non-opera book, I highly recommend Seven Eves. I don't think i saw it in your post. But you had a long list so forgive me if i missed it. It's one book, pretty long though and one of my GOATS.

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[–] RagnarokOnline@reddthat.com 5 points 1 year ago

You would typically be the person I would go to for book suggestions, not the other way around.

Sorry I can’t help more :/

[–] RBWells@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I really like Neal Asher's books. Sprawling long series (what is the plural of series?) and so good.

Was recommended the Children of Time books, am halfway through the first and WOW. I love it.

[–] PCurd@feddit.uk 5 points 1 year ago

Plural of series is series, if that helps.

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[–] rhacer@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Huge Honor fan here. Have you read Weber's other huge series, Safehold. Not space opera, more like sea opera, but it hits many of the same buttons that Honor does.

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[–] zalack@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

If you're looking for genuine space opera, I quite enjoyed the Final Architecture series by Adrian Tchaikovsky.

[–] daemonkat@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Third vote for Dune!

[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Have you read Hannu Rajaniemis Jean le Flambeur series?

It's a very high concept narrative, that begins with our main character being broken out of a simulated prison, where he is forced to play endless games of the prisoners dilemma, against endless copies of himself and other prisoners.

It continues on to tell a story set within our solar system, that's complex on levels that can be hard to keep up with at times.

In this universe, where people end and software begins, is blurred, and the same is true for the edge between reality and simulation.

Some people are doomed to exist and be used as mere software for completing complex tasks, while others step through matter-conversion gates between the real and simulated on a regular basis.

I really, really loved it.

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[–] Robbeee@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Simon R. Greens Deathstalker series is pretty much what you're describing. Very much space opera, melodramatic and big on action. They're not incredibly well written but lots of fun.

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[–] valen@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

What? No love for the Pern books by Anne McCaffrey? I love em. Gotta love genetically engineered dragons.

[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Takeshi Kovachs is power fantasy, gary sue, erotica. The universe has an interesting premise, but utterly refuses to explore any of the implications properly.

It's explicitly stated that cortical stacks only record a mind, but cannot run one. But then how exactly does a mind get "written" to a body it didn't originate in? A brain IS its contents, you can't just swap out the harddrive and use the same CPU. A human brain is both storage medium and processor, but this fact is never dealth with. What if the human brain was overriden by a cortical stack running a mind? What if there was always an "original" trapped copy running on that wetware? So much more interesting, but all that potential detail is just handwaved off.

What happens if you install someone into a brain that's damaged? Does that person now have a brain damage related disability while in that body?

And the ever referenced "quellism", some newfangled ultimate ideology for achieving utopia, that is never ever actually explained or explored. And when the creator of that dogma appears, she's little more than a set of genitals for our dear main character to screw.

The best book in the series, is the second, dealing which with the ancient aliens that came before humans, and even in that one Takeshi hypno fingerbangs a woman out of her ptsd. What. The. Fuck. Maybe the netflix series skipping to the third book was for the best.

[–] neuropean@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Even the second one was a slog to get through with plenty of slow parts throughout the book.

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[–] Weirdmusic@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

How about the Uplift series by David Brin? Start with Sundiver

[–] walter_wiggles@lemmy.nz 4 points 1 year ago

The Imperial Radch Trilogy by Ann Leckie

[–] thelastknowngod@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Helliconia trilogy might be worth looking into. It's pretty unique in the genre.. It's not deeply political though if that's what you're looking for. The main character is essentially the planet itself and how the global society of people living on that planet changes over centuries. The seasons on the planet last hundreds of years too so it's adds some interesting evolutionary survival ideas in there.

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[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The Three Body problem is a an absolutely phenomenal take on the Dark Forest Theory.

It has the unfortunate quality of reading like a news article at times, recounting events, rather than feeling like an illustrated narrative. And some plot points hinge on the authors pre-conceived notions about gender that really didn't sit well with me.

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