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[–] BustlingChungus@lemmy.world 122 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I an so sick of the “just don’t buy it” response to people complaining about increasingly shitty practices. It’s like if someone pisses in the far side of the pool and other people decide they like the warmth so they tell you just to stay over on the far side - The pool is still tainted, and maybe next time the pool cleaners decide not to use chlorine…

[–] Bronzie@sh.itjust.works 40 points 8 months ago (2 children)

It's not that you can't complain, but moreso that people are tired of reading about people getting ripped of over and over again.
It's getting old when the solution is so glaringly obvious.

Alternatively focus your grievances towards the company. That has a better chance of making an impact in reducing the tainted waters.

So in short: you have a right to complain, but we have a right to tell you that you are a part of the problem if you pre-order or support companies continually doing this crap.

[–] RedditWanderer@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago (1 children)

All this while there are plenty of other companies worth supporting. Sure it isn't your favorite franchise, but we aren't surprised leopards ate your face, again. I gave up on all those games from these companies and have found a lot of enjoyment elsewhere. Sucks but I refuse to give them money that makes this a viable model for them to fuckup over and over.

[–] thantik@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

Seriously start taking risks on "indie" developers. I know a lot of them aren't really indie - they're huge companies with dozens of employees in a lot of cases still, but you'll find they treat you better. Sure - that $20 game might not be quite as good, but in other cases, I've seen them be EVEN BETTER than $70 titles.

Unfortunately it is pretty obvious that the majority of the human population are just going to follow what they're told to buy via TV and Ads. There aren't enough of us to turn the tide right away, but hey -- stick to your guns, and tell others to as well. It'll take a bit for players to get well and truly fed up with this shit, but the tide will turn eventually.

[–] HAL_9_TRILLION@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Alternatively focus your grievances towards the company.

But why would the company care? They're marketing directly to a certain kind of person here. Anyone that would pay these prices - and plenty must pay because Blizzard hasn't blinked ONCE during any of this bullshit - has so much money that they wouldn't care if the colors were three times that.

Blizzard acts like their bread and butter is the upper-middle-class and it must be true because they don't change at all as near as I've been able to tell. Not only do their sales not take a hit, they just keep growing.

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[–] Coreidan@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Use a different pool where people aren’t pissing in them. They exist.

There are plenty of other games that don’t pull this shit. Play them instead.

[–] nyctre@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago (2 children)

First they did it at EA, but I didn't say anything because I don't play EA games. Then they did it at Ubisoft, but I didn't say anything because I don't play Ubisoft games. Then they did it at Blizzard, but I didn't say anything because I don't play Blizzard games. Then they did it at fromsoft games, but I didn't say anything because I don't play fromsoft games. Then they did it at supergiant games, but I didn't say anything because I don't play their games.

Then they did it at every other fucking company because it was industry standard.

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[–] abraxas@sh.itjust.works 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

In fairness to the complaints, there are fewer and fewer good clean pools, and they tend to be the less-and-less awesome ones.

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[–] Nacktmull@lemmy.world 101 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (34 children)

People who decide to throw money at games with such shitty practices are part of the problem.

[–] SkyNTP@lemmy.ml 32 points 8 months ago (4 children)

I'd say they are victims of predatory practices.

Like drug addicts. You can't expect drug addicts to take all the blame. Sooner or later you have to realize that the supplier enabling the addiction is part of the problem.

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[–] fckreddit@lemmy.ml 10 points 8 months ago

FOMO is strong in them.

[–] DrDickHandler@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago

Yes, they are. The problem is that they are millions.

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[–] CraigeryTheKid@lemm.ee 77 points 8 months ago (3 children)

That's an excellent analogy, to say "you can buy palworld for that" which really makes it hit different for me.

It shows you how absurd it is, even with it being optional. It's still absurd.

[–] 9715698@lemmy.world 20 points 8 months ago

The cosmetic skin prices in D4 are absolutely laughable, and the fact that they can only be used with ONE class make it even more bonkers.

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[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 73 points 8 months ago (5 children)

Right now. Somewhere on Earth. Someone. Is currently purchasing Diablo 4.

[–] koraro@lemmy.world 25 points 8 months ago

P.T Barnums every second a sucker is born quote comes to mind.

[–] DaseinPickle@leminal.space 11 points 8 months ago

And they have to live with the shame.

[–] avatar@lemm.ee 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)
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[–] DrDickHandler@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

And will happily drop more cash on microtransactions.

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[–] cali_ash@lemmy.wtf 27 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Blizzard literally became so shitty I can't waited for Microsoft to take over and clean house.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 18 points 8 months ago

MS haven't bought them to clean them up.

They bought them because they're already the level of shitty they're aiming for.

[–] psivchaz@reddthat.com 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

"Clean house" feels optimistic. Standard procedure for a buy out:

  • Executives are retained or let go with generous packages
  • Middle management is summarily executed
  • Someone sorts a spreadsheet of developers by salary and lays off the highest paid (and sometimes best, though no telling when we're talking about these two garbage fires)
  • Remaining developers are shuffled. Some are asked to move to teams that are doing wildly different things than what they were doing before. Some teams are filled with lower cost "resources" from other countries.
[–] unreasonabro@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Nice description of enshittification from behind the scenes.

This is why corporations shouldn't be able to buy each other! Try that shit out as a model you fucking whores.

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[–] Mokujin@lemmy.world 23 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I played launch and the first two seasons. The game is not fun, but they clearly spend a ton of resources cranking out skins.

Skins are somewhat cool, but shit value since they only work on specific classes.

Meanwhile, skins in POE, arguably a more enjoyable game though dated, are usable across all classes.

Not exactly apples/oranges due to gender locked classes, but still.

[–] Wermhatswormhat@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

And PoE has some of the most expensive cosmetics I’ve seen and even they aren’t as bad as a $30 color variation portal. PoE balances it out because the game is free to play. What’s Diablo’s excuse?

[–] wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one 5 points 8 months ago

And poe has much cheaper, frequently on sale, qol purchases.

Do I need a $2 currency storage tab? No. Will it make the game mildly smoother, and functionally be the "price" of the game for me if thats all I ever buy? Yup.

Do I get to play as much game as possible before I decide to "buy" the game and get my currency tab? Absolutely.

Cheap qol purchases for a f2p game makes the outrageous cosmetics far more acceptable.

[–] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 22 points 8 months ago

They're taking their upcoming DLC's name "Vessel of Hatred" too literally.

[–] VampyreOfNazareth@lemm.ee 21 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] explodicle@local106.com 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Isn't that just when they make it worse when it already has a lot of users?

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[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago

I went to buy a Goal Explosion in Rocket League yesterday. Purely cosmetic item. $25. No thanks.

[–] a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 8 months ago (4 children)

who needs D4 or their cosmetics? I'm just waiting for Crate to release the new Grim Dawn Expansion, will probably be cheaper than that recolor too lol

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[–] arc@lemm.ee 5 points 8 months ago

I think the issue here is people knew Diablo 4 was filled with monetization, season passes, cosmetic items etc and they bought it anyway and are complaining about it after the fact. The correct way to respond to sleazy companies is to take your business somewhere else. Reward games for being good, not for being cash grabs.

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