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[–] agitatedpotato@lemmy.world 116 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Alternatively put, the wolves that don't have cancer resistance do not survive Chernobyl. I feel like this should be closer to the default way we talk about evolution.

[–] Uruanna@lemmy.world 42 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That's what natural selection is. We focus on those that survived because they developed resistance to something, but it has always meant that everybody else died and the species as a whole has moved forward.

[–] agitatedpotato@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Sure but the headline doesn't say 'natural selection caused . . .' it straight up say 'Mutant wolves developed resistance to cancer' did they though? Or was that mutation already present and sudden environment changes cause the other ones to die off?

[–] Uruanna@lemmy.world 30 points 9 months ago

Cancer-causing radiations don't cause wolves to develop cancer resistance, they cause wolves to develop cancer. Those that were more resistant survived, those that weren't didn't, now we have wolves that are different from those that we had before. They are mutant wolves, but the radiations didn't make them mutants. The mutation happened before in some wolves, and their descendants survived better than those that didn't have it. Evolution has always been like that.

[–] doppelgangmember@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

"We are the cancer now"

[–] DScratch@sh.itjust.works 50 points 9 months ago (1 children)

And I for one welcome our Lupine overlords. I’d like to remind them of my long history of caring for their canine cousins and the potential for that to continue long into the future.

[–] name_NULL111653@pawb.social 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I, for one, (a vampire Goth) fear for my life when our werewolf overlords enter society ...

[–] Lemmygizer@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

How they see you:

[–] mr_robot2938@lemmy.world 34 points 9 months ago (3 children)

40 years seems like a relatively short time for natural evolutionary processes to adapt a mammal to a highly radioactive environment. That’s like 10 to 20 generations of wolf and suddenly they are cancer resistant?

After all the needless loss of life surrounding the Chernobyl reactor explosion, finding viable cancer-resistant genetic mutations would be the ultimate silver lining.

[–] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

If you have an extremely high infant mortality rate, it won't take that long. If the radiation kills off a high enough percentage of individuals without cancer resistance it won't take long at all.
Theoretically you could do it in only 2-3 generations if you had environmental factors that could give 100% of individuals without resistance cancer.

[–] Scubus@sh.itjust.works 7 points 9 months ago

High evolutionary pressure + large gene set = fairly rapid adaptation

[–] bort@feddit.de 6 points 9 months ago

evolution could happen in jumps. How often that happens is debatable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punctuated_equilibrium

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 30 points 9 months ago (1 children)

"The Mutant Wolves of Chernobyl" seems like a good band name.

[–] iamtrashman1312@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

"Wolves of Chernobyl" is a song by Municipal Waste, already

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 months ago

No surprise. It's too good a name.

[–] ONRYO@feddit.ch 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

So radiation does give you powers ?

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

So radiation does give you powers ?

Well.. radiations selects for powers.

[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Chernobyl dogs: "We have developed immunity to cancer"

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[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

... wasn't there basically no additional cancer present in mammals over there?

And even in humans - hasn't only thyroid cancer spiked in the months after the accident?

Oh, she claims these wolves are genetically different than others (or that all wolves are better at beating cancer?) ... I don't understand that claim. And if that's true, then why not test DNA/immune system of humans living very near there (The Babushkas of Chernobyl?

[–] SparrowRanjitScaur@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Kyle Hill has some pretty good videos on this topic: https://youtu.be/bmVGwOP_zi8?feature=shared

My understanding is that while the fallout from Chernobyl wasn't very dangerous, and didn't lead to a noticeable increase in cancer rates, the area around the reactor is still very dangerous due to the debris from the reactor core that's scattered around.

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[–] Breve@pawb.social 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

So if Spiderman got his powers from being bit by a radioactive spider... 🤔

[–] ouRKaoS@lemmy.today 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I think the only "power" you get from radioactive wolves is death.

[–] iamtrashman1312@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

but what a way to go, huh? "torn apart by mutant wolves" is a pretty metal death

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 5 points 9 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Mutant wolves roaming the deserted streets of Chernobyl appear to have developed resistance to cancer - raising hopes the findings can help scientists fight the disease in humans.

A nuclear reactor exploded at the Chernobyl power plant in Ukraine in 1986 - with more than 100,000 people evacuated from the city as the blast released cancer-causing radiation.

Cara Love, an evolutionary biologist and ecotoxicologist at Princeton University in the US, has been studying how the Chernobyl wolves survive despite generations of exposure to radioactive particles.

Ms Love and a team of researchers visited the CEZ in 2014 and put radio collars on the wolves so that their movements could be monitored.

The researchers discovered that Chernobyl wolves are exposed to upwards of 11.28 millirem of radiation every day for their entire lives - which is more than six times the legal safety limit for a human.

Ms Love presented her findings at the annual meeting of the Society of Integrative and Comparative Biology in Seattle, Washington, last month.


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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 9 months ago

You’re telling me that I should last my body with radiation and I’ll become immortal? Sign me up.