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Oh look, Sony revoking more licenses for video content that people "bought".

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[–] bassomitron@lemmy.world 195 points 9 months ago (5 children)

This is where our lazy lawmakers need to step in and protect consumers. Make it illegal to revoke these types of licenses over greedy, lazy, exploitative business mergers and acquisitions. If corporations want to fight that, then they shouldn't be able to "sell" digital movies or games anymore: Any time you go to "purchase" digital content, it must plainly tell you that you're renting said content for an undetermined amount of time.

Funny how so much recent talk has emerged yet again about how companies like Microsoft want to get rid of disc drives on their next Xbox... It's almost like companies don't actually want you to ever truly own anything. A rent economy is toxic and rotten, and it's infuriating that it's literally becoming our entire economy.

[–] Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz 45 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Companies change the contracts all the time and customers just agree to them.

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Consumer protection would help, so maybe it’s time to start voting for the people who support it.

[–] ItsMeSpez@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

It's entirely unreasonable to assume that the average person has the time or knowledge necessary to read, comprehend and agree to every terms of service agreement shoved in their face. Legislation should reflect this fact, and there should be something similar to game and movie ratings that give an easy to understand summary of the agreement.

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[–] evatronic@lemm.ee 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

Funny how so much recent talk has emerged yet again about how companies like Microsoft want to get rid of disc drives on their next Xbox… [...]

While I will freely admit that the lack of a physical drive is a huge way to drive downloaded (and licensed, revokable) content controlled by the company, it's worth noting that physical media is really not all that great a medium for transferring things like games or movies anymore. Blu-ray discs can hold, in ideal situations, around 50GB of data. A lot of games -- especially AAA games, are well beyond that. I think Spider Man 2 came in at like 85GB? The internet says Hogwarts Legacy is ~75GB on XBox.

Network connectivity, and downloading content to our devices is almost certainly going to be the way a lot of the world works going forward. That doesn't mean we shouldn't be able to back our content up elsewhere, or offload it to some other device.

Your right in noting that the laws and regulations need to keep up and protect consumers' right to the content they've purchased.

edit: Here, I'll bold the important part.

[–] Instigate@aussie.zone 17 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Then put the games onto high-storage solid-state cartridges like Nintendo does. There’s no reason to be limited by existing technology like Blu-Ray except for laziness. Hell, they could even just put an SD card reader in as the physical game tray and put games onto SD cards if they’re that lazy and don’t want to spend on R&D.

Removing the capacity to have physical copies of games at all is always a bad move that is disingenuously masked with a “but the world is going all digital!” all the while knowing that this gives them greater control over things we’re supposed to own.

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[–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago

I bought a 1TB micro SD card recently, it cost less than a new AAA game. Almost any individual AAA game would fit on a quarter of that.

[–] bassomitron@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray#BDXL

Even normal UHD BRDs can and do hold upwards of 100GB, as those can have 4 layers (~25GB each layer).

A lot of game size bloat is due to lazy optimization. Lords of the Fallen on PC--while it had questionable game performance for some folk--the game looked gorgeous and was quite a massive world, yet the download for it was around 40GB.

There are very few games I can think of that warrant being 100+GB. And even if they're more than 100GB, what's stopping them from just using 2 Blu-rays? Remember the PS1 days when games like FF7 had 4 discs? Or when WoW came out, it came with like 8 installation discs or some other absurd number? Blu-rays are more expensive, sure, but I can't imagine games getting to be more than 2 discs long during the lifespan of Blu-ray as a storage medium anyway.

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[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 105 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Its barely the second month of the year and these companies are nose diving to the fucking bottom.

[–] cerement@slrpnk.net 38 points 9 months ago (1 children)

“The bar you had to clear was on the ground and y’all brought shovels.”

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[–] 65gmexl3@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

Enshitification is at phase 2

[–] JoeKrogan@lemmy.world 103 points 9 months ago

🏴‍☠️ sharing is caring.

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 90 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I am altering the deal. Pray that I don’t alter it any further.

[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 69 points 9 months ago

If what they're doing isn't theft, then digital "piracy" isn't theft either.

[–] Clbull@lemmy.world 64 points 9 months ago (5 children)

And with the unrelated rumours of Microsoft potentially leaving the console business and going multiplatform, it begs serious questions.

Do you really want Sony to have a monopoly on console gaming when they can't even respect ownership rights for digital goods?

[–] Kedly@lemm.ee 23 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Tbf I left the console market a decade ago and haven't really felt like going back. Computers do everything I need in the gaming sphere

[–] OminousOrange@lemmy.ca 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Without extortionate extra fees either. I recently wanted to crossplay Overcooked on my PC with a couple friends on my PS4. "Buy PSPlus for only $100+ to play this game online!" Yeah, fuck off.

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[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 63 points 9 months ago (3 children)

if you can take it from me, I can take it from you. piracy has become a moral imperative to stop valuable art being flushed down the memory hole.

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[–] Rustmilian@lemmy.world 48 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Sony should be fined for each unit they delete.

[–] KpntAutismus@lemmy.world 46 points 9 months ago (6 children)

if they pull this shit with music, i'm gonna have to look for self hosted music streaming apps.

[–] monk@lemmy.unboiled.info 29 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Why stream music when SD cards are approaching TB?

[–] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 46 points 9 months ago (14 children)

Because 90% of standard phones now don't have SD card slots. Thanks pixel

[–] bort@feddit.de 16 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

You vote with your wallets. Each time you buy a phone without SD cart, you are submitting a ballot.

Seriously. phones are 99% identical anyways. It's not so hard to filter for the 2-3 criteria you actually care about.

[–] aksdb@lemmy.world 40 points 9 months ago (11 children)

I would also like a great camera, a non-locked-down bootloader and a non-customized OS with updates for at least 5 years. I can't vote with my wallet aside from "not buying any phone", which isn't a vote.

Oh I would also like small smartphones back. But there are simply no good ones on the market; nothing I could vote for.

"Vote with your wallet" only works if there is a good enough set of choices on the market.

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[–] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 14 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

There is a triangle of camera quality, software support, and peripheral support. You can have 2.

Fairphone is the close, but they removed the headphone jack when they upgraded their camera in order to push their shitty earbuds that they only sold/supported for 2 years I think before scrapping them and are continuing the cycle with their new headphones (directly contrary to their mission). They also refuse to add simple wireless charging.

Sony has camera quality (only their photo pro, not in their shitty default camera app) and peripherals, but no software support (2 years max).

Voting with my wallet is buying no phones ever, apparently.

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[–] daniskarma@lemmy.world 25 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'm using jellyfin and it just works fine.

There are others more specialized in music. But I kind of like only having to use one service for all my media.

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[–] Crow@lemmy.world 41 points 9 months ago (1 children)

When my plex server does what Sony won’t/ can’t.

[–] tabular@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Not referring to Plex telling friends your porn habbits, I assume 😆

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[–] Phegan@lemmy.world 36 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Digital ownership is a real issue. We need to ensure we own when we buy, or we should not buy

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[–] Smite6645@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Aye-aye, Captain! 🫡

[–] atrielienz@lemmy.world 32 points 9 months ago (1 children)

We gonna go after every company that does this because pretty much all of them are.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 9 months ago (2 children)
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[–] virr@lemmy.world 32 points 9 months ago (3 children)

This is why we prefer to buy physical media, getting a digital with it is nice, but physical is key.

It wasn't even me was pushing for us to get physical media, it was my spouse. Of course my plex server the house probably helped. But after a few "forever" is only until next month, or shows completely disappearing altogether from any streaming, they started pushing for more physical media.

[–] Steve@startrek.website 15 points 9 months ago

Good news, physical media can still have revocable DRM

[–] Fisch@lemmy.ml 12 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I think I'm alone with that on here but I don't really like buying physical media. I get that that way you own it but it's still just a storage medium with data on it, putting that data directly on my hard drive achieves basically the same thing. Since I can pirate basically anything anyway, I just think that even if a company takes away my access to something digital I bought, I can always just pirate it and I have it again. To me, physical discs are kind of a waste of money, space and resources because of that. I don't have it anything against people who buy physical media tho, I do get the point of that.

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[–] ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 9 months ago

I’m with you on most of this except I’m the physical media person, and also run the Plex server for my f&f ;)

I’m going to be setting up a self-host game streaming server soon too, because I won’t -buy- digital-only.. but I will pirate it and throw some money at the indie devs when I can!

[–] hperrin@lemmy.world 31 points 9 months ago (5 children)

I’m down to one streaming service left. Just need to… ahem… acquire the rest of what I want to watch there before I no longer pay monthly for services I barely use, where anything can be ripped away from us at any time.

Never again.

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[–] Whirling_Cloudburst@lemmy.world 25 points 9 months ago

Someone is going to be a high seas king after this for sure.

[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 24 points 9 months ago

But in addition to offering video streaming, Funimation also dubbed and released anime as physical media, and sometimes those DVDs or Blu-rays would feature a digital code. Subscribers to the Funimation streaming service could add those digital codes to Funimation and then stream the content from the platform.

Okay, I honestly feel bad for anyone not old enough to remember the last few times big media firms pulled this kind of crap. This kind of thing is always a trap, or at best a temporary add-on to the media you purchased. If you buy a DVD or BluRay, anything other than the videos on the medium have a short shelf life. Plus, anything having to do with internet websites are considered disposable by big business*, but doubly so in this kind of scheme.

In the past we've had bolt-on features to media that have aged poorly. 1-800 support numbers for video games. Websites with supplementary media. Executable programs on disk that only work on Windows95 or MacOS 9. Console exclusive content. Extra media on disk in formats like Flash. Heck, there are even old cassettes and LPs that have C64 BASIC programs on them. Downloadable game content through redeemable codes. The end result is less a product value-add and more of a novelty.

Then there's the litany of broken-by-design media, like DivX. And of course, let's not forget about formats that have no modern release and are only viewable on players that haven't been made in a dozen years or more.

Yes, Sony/Funimation should be taken to task for misleading advertising. But we should also be vigilant and look for the warning signs too.

(* - If that makes you uncomfortable about IoT devices, you're paying attention.)

[–] InvaderDJ@lemmy.world 20 points 9 months ago

This is nothing new. Buying digital and streaming only versions of media just means you are licensing it. If you care, either break the DRM and reencode, or just pirate it directly.

[–] smegger@aussie.zone 18 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I feel more and more justified about piracy every article I read about licensing and stuff just getting taken away after having paid good money for stuff

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[–] thorbot@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

Laughs in 64TB Plex server

[–] cmysmiaczxotoy@lemm.ee 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

In other news, the only thing that has ever axed my library was a stray bolt of lightning

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