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ISW: Kremlin intensifying rhetoric pushing for hypothetical partition of Ukraine (kyivindependent.com)

submitted 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) by breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca to c/globalpolitics@lemmy.world

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The Kremlin is intensifying efforts to normalize Western discussions of a hypothetical partition of Ukraine, the Institute for the Study of War (ISW) reported in their daily assessment.

ISW assessed that Russian propagandists are reigniting narratives that portray Ukraine as an artificially constructed state. Officials are proposing that Russia and European powers partition Ukraine and leave it as a "sovereign" rump state, comments which were reportedly picked up by right-wing politicians in Central Europe.

By reducing Ukraine's political legitimacy, Russia hopes to reduce Western military support and normalize Western discussions of Ukraine ceding territory to Russia as a legitimate way to end the war.

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[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 22 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The Russian federation should be dissolved.

[–] el_bhm@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago

You mean Nazi federation?

[–] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 15 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

It's already here on Lemmy. Had to tell some mouthbreather to get fucked after they suggested Ukraine should give up and let Russia have its stolen territory because "peace"

Edit: And sure enough, there's one of them here in the replies. Go figure! Lmao

[+] afunkysongaday@lemmy.world -20 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Thank you. You are a hero by making sure the war goes on and more Ukrainians die. Great job, really. I am sure if you tell a few more people to suck Putin's dick or whatever Ukraine will regain control of the territories they shelled for years and everyone will be happy.

[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You are a hero by making sure the war goes on and more Ukrainians die.

You are pretending as if anyone is forcing Ukraine into defending itself, when that's typically the response to any invasion.......

You are acting as if Russia nor Ukraine have any autonomy in their actions. I find it hilarious that whenever this narrative of "ending the war to save ukrainians" you people never suggest that maybe Russia could just stop killing their neighbors.

If Ukraine wants to end the war, then I'm fine with it. They are the only people who get to decide what their sovereignty is worth, and when enough is enough.

I just think it's morally bankrupt to hide behind the the virtue signaling of "stop the death" while also cheering for the people actually killing Ukrainians.

[–] afunkysongaday@lemmy.world -2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You are pretending as if anyone is forcing Ukraine into defending itself

Yes, men in Ukraine are literally forced to fight by their government. That's war. No pretending necessary.

[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago

men in Ukraine

Ahh, so we are being pedantic now? It's pretty clear that I was talking about the nation, not anecdotal accounts of individuals.

That's war. No pretending necessary.

Which is one of the reasons why we shouldn't be defending nations who attack their neighbors in opportunistic land grabs?

[–] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 5 points 9 months ago

Speak of the Devil, here's one of these morons.

[–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 5 points 9 months ago

Can it with the phony concern trolling nonsense. You're not fooling anyone.

[–] awwwyissss@lemm.ee 3 points 9 months ago

Ukrainians overwhelmingly want to fight the Kremlin's terrorist forces off and defend their country. Who the fuck are you to tell them what to do?

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

Let's partition Russia away from the rest of Siberia.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=NC37nAxP8ac

[–] Siegfried@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

This mess should end with ukraine retaking its territory, every country that ever had a claim over russian territory taking it back and referendums on every oblast asking if they are ready to leave this fuckers

[–] DarkNightoftheSoul@mander.xyz 3 points 9 months ago

Shouldn't that be the institute for the study of special military operations?