Fuck them
Good to see that they got a life sentence and not the usual "they're minors so they'll do some years in a community" bullshit that happens in my country
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Minimum of only 20 years though before eligible for parole
They're minors. In the UK and most of the developed world, you cannot give life without parole to a minor.
Idk I think people who murder a girl in cold blood shouldn't ever be allowed to participate in society, but that's just me.
They only get out on parole if the board (or whatever the UK's equivalent is) believes they have learned a lesson and are safe to reenter society. If not then they stay until the next board meeting. I have a hard time imagining they would get out after 20 years for murder without the board being pretty damn sure they are no longer a danger to society.
As gross and heinous as these crimes are, I will never favor life-without-parole or the death penalty for minors.
if rehabilitation is possible, there is no real benefit to society to just keep folks in prison indefinitely, and in fact refusing to accept change for the better disincentivises folks from doing so
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20 years is a looooong time when you're 16. They've lost their entire young adulthood and then some
They will be fine. Terf Island will consider them political prisoners.
They'll be on licence for the rest of their lives following that though. The minimum term on a life sentence is just the custodial part.
on licence. right, what's that, then? will they have any other sort of restrictions once they get out at minimum 36?
The 20 years is the minimum time they'll do in prison.
After the 20 years they'll be eligible for parole. If, and only if, the board decides that it's safe for them to be released will they do so.
If they are released they will be in license. This means they are subject to prison recall without trial should they pose any risk to the public. The license may also impose additional restrictions such as regular therapy appointments, restrictions on leaving the country etc. These conditions will be imposed for life. Breaking any of these restrictions would also result in a recall to prison.
If the parole board decides that it's not safe to release them, then they'll remain in prison. They may very well remain in prison for their entire life.
heh. TIL. thanks for that!
That's standard in the UK. Our justice system views rehabilitation as the ultimate goal, not punishment. They will serve this as a minimum, but will likely never see life outside of a cell based on their reaction to being sentenced.
Even after parole, their life will forever be scrutinised by law enforcement and medical examiners to determine their mental state. Anything that doesn't scream "normal member of society" puts them back in jail.
Yeah I agree with rehabilitation for 99% of crimes and laud the European models as generally better than the American one.
The irony that next to each other, left to right or right to left, looks like before and after transition shots.
Just so we're clear, this is the endgame of all of the propaganda against trans people. Many are culpable in this.
Oh most def. The Chris--conservatives will with no regrets murder y'all the moment they can. This was never about sports or bathrooms or dorms. This is about a segment of the population who thinks God wants them to kill the LGBT and said as much in the Bible.
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I'm sick and tired of violent extremism and the people profiteering from it being treated as "just another point of view" because that leads to this leads to these crimes being normalized.
It's hard enough being trans without being actively hunted by psychotic overzealous and cruel people. What can individuals possibly do in the face of such societal cruelty?
Something needs to change.
were intelligent
planned for weeks
stabbed with a knife
I know the sadistic part is about enjoyment (probably the planning process too), but ...
Jeez and they were still teenagers.
No matter their age, they deserve lifetime prison. If they are able to murder at that age, they should be prosecuted as adults as well.
I know some people want to pretend jokes are “just jokes”, but this is what one killer said about Brianna:
Also she has a dick lol
Why is that funny? It’s because of comedians like Chapelle that normalize making fun of something like this, when all they’re doing is not confronting why it makes them uncomfortable and punch down on an easy target. The same can be said of comedians making jokes about race, like Larry David and his jokes about Arabs, which can lead to normalizing a lot of the Palestinians are animals type rhetoric and normalize Genocidal policies.
Scarlett Jenkinson and Eddie Ratcliffe.
How come the media never mentions if they are Christian or not? Why hasn't the Pope condemned this act in Latin and English?
Only 6% of adults are practicing Christians in the UK. It’s statistically unlikely this has anything to do with religion.
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What does the Pope have to do with the Anglican Church? Also what does it matter if they were religious or not?
What does the Pope have to do with the Anglican Church?
They are all Christians.
Also what does it matter if they were religious or not?
Indeed. Makes you wonder why when there is a Muslim or an refugee or an immigrant murderer I hear so much about it. Media is full of stories today about an arrest of a refugee made in a center.
Ah, is that a common thing in the UK to bring up religion if the perp was Muslim?
The Pope does not represent the Anglican Church. It'd have to be the King of England speaking up.
Go checkout the dailymail and see for yourself.
Not all christians recognize the Pope. It's like asking why the patriarch of Constantinople or the patriarch of Moscow didn't comment on the news.
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What does that have to do with anything?
it's satire about how if a muslim or an immigrant commits a crime, everyone expects imams or community leaders of that culture to comment publicly or else consider them in support of the crime
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Unlikely, but I see your point.
Why is Richard Dawkins silent on this issue?
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
Ghey was stabbed with a hunting knife 28 times in her head, neck, chest and back in broad daylight after being lured to a park in the town of Warrington on Feb. 11, 2023.
Yip handed Ratcliffe and Jenkinson a mandatory life sentence, and ordered them to serve a minimum term of 20 and 22 years, respectively, before they could be eligible for parole.
“You both took part in a brutal and planned murder, which was sadistic in nature, and a secondary motivation was hostility to Brianna, because of her transgender identity.”
However, Yip said that after they were found guilty last month, there was a “strong public interest in the full and unrestricted reporting of what is plainly an exceptional case.” Lawyers for the two argued that naming them would have ramifications for their welfare.
“The two appear to have had a deadly influence on each other and turned what may have started out as dark fantasies about murder into a reality,” Crown prosecutor Nicola Wyn Williams said outside the courthouse.
“I have moments where I feel sorry for them because they have also ruined their own lives, but I have to remember that they felt no empathy for Brianna when they left her bleeding to death after their premeditated and vicious attack, which was carried out not because Brianna had done anything wrong, but just because one hated trans people and the other thought it would be fun,” her mother Esther Ghey said in a statement that was read to the court.
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Is there such a thing as a “heavenly murder”? I thought all murder was bad. Seems odd trying to demonize murder more than it already would be. Like, would it have been better if they were crucified? Yikes.
The lynching of Mussolini was a pretty good murder. Same with the English pedophile prince the IRA murdered as well.
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A bit confused, are you reacting to sadistic? That word doesn't mean evil, it means enjoying giving pain to others. There are murders that aren't as sadistic, as they could try to poison someone in sleep etc, giving no pain.
The wording is suggesting they very much enjoyed the process of committing the murder, making it more painful on purpose.
TIL I cannot read properly.
An absolutely horrifying crime, and I'm not trying to make light of an awful tragedy, but some of these names sound like they were randomly generated from a Hollywood database that includes names like Scarlett Johansson, Eddie Redmayne, Daniel Radcliffe, Amanda Seyfried, etc.
That's because they are English, and have English names. English names are over-represented in Hollywood for obvious reasons
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