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Research paper referenced in the video that makes Dr. Hossenfelder very worried:

Global warming in the pipeline: https://academic.oup.com/oocc/article/3/1/kgad008/7335889

Abstract

Improved knowledge of glacial-to-interglacial global temperature change yields Charney (fast-feedback) equilibrium climate sensitivity 1.2 ± 0.3°C (2σ) per W/m2, which is 4.8°C ± 1.2°C for doubled CO2. Consistent analysis of temperature over the full Cenozoic era—including ‘slow’ feedbacks by ice sheets and trace gases—supports this sensitivity and implies that CO2 was 300–350 ppm in the Pliocene and about 450 ppm at transition to a nearly ice-free planet, exposing unrealistic lethargy of ice sheet models. Equilibrium global warming for today’s GHG amount is 10°C, which is reduced to 8°C by today’s human-made aerosols. Equilibrium warming is not ‘committed’ warming; rapid phaseout of GHG emissions would prevent most equilibrium warming from occurring. However, decline of aerosol emissions since 2010 should increase the 1970–2010 global warming rate of 0.18°C per decade to a post-2010 rate of at least 0.27°C per decade. Thus, under the present geopolitical approach to GHG emissions, global warming will exceed 1.5°C in the 2020s and 2°C before 2050. Impacts on people and nature will accelerate as global warming increases hydrologic (weather) extremes. The enormity of consequences demands a return to Holocene-level global temperature. Required actions include: (1) a global increasing price on GHG emissions accompanied by development of abundant, affordable, dispatchable clean energy, (2) East-West cooperation in a way that accommodates developing world needs, and (3) intervention with Earth’s radiation imbalance to phase down today’s massive human-made ‘geo-transformation’ of Earth’s climate. Current political crises present an opportunity for reset, especially if young people can grasp their situation.

My basic summary (I am NOT a climate scientist so someone tell me if I'm wrong and I HOPE this is wrong for my children), scientists had dismissed hotter climate models due to the fact that we didn't have historical data to prove them. Now folks are applying hotter models to predicting weather and the hotter models appear to be more accurate. So it looks like we're going to break 2C BEFORE 2050 and could hit highs of 8C-10C by the end of the century with our CURRENT levels of green house gases, not even including increasing those.

EDIT: Adding more sources:

Use of Short-Range Forecasts to Evaluate Fast Physics Processes Relevant for Climate Sensitivity: https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2019MS001986

Short-term tests validate long-term estimates of climate change: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01484-5

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[–] mnmalst@lemmy.zip 93 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

We, or I might have to accept that a species, no matter how intelligent on an individual basis, is doomed to go extinct when the collective intelligence is not able to mitigate long term consequences.

[–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 30 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Our next filter to overcome as a civilisation

[–] Jeredin@lemm.ee 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

No society should have any businesses or individuals that are ultra rich. It's one thing to surround yourself with materialistic goods and services, but to use that wealth as power and control over a huge majority is evil. I suspect when the ultra rich have proper self-repairing droves of service robots, worker drones and obedient AI, they won't have use for most of us - I am not being hyperbole in writing this...

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[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 43 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Okay, so, as others have expressed in this thread, I don't completely trust Sabine as a science communicator. Can someone who knows what they're talking about about shed some light on this paper and/or Sabine's video?

[–] ComradeKhoumrag@infosec.pub 10 points 9 months ago

I can't say much about this paper, but I like Sabine. She can be like judge Judy sometimes but I'd rather hear a hot take than a tepid one.

Friends of mine have complained how she's strayed away from physics videos towards more general science. She can also be a little condescending towards string theorists' research interests

Other people might get uncomfortable when it comes down to her videos on free will.

For this paper however, it seems Climate targets in recent years have been under estimating global warming and have to accelerate their models each year. She seems worried this opens up the possibility of 4-6C of warming.

[–] stalfoss@lemm.ee 41 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Downvoted out of principle for the ridiculous clickbait YouTube title/thumbnail. I can’t stand them, and I don’t care that it helps them get more engagement with the algorithm, the algorithm sucks.

[–] Mr_Blott@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Agreed, 15 minute videos with two minutes of info in them are an absolute scourge on Lemmy

Especially on an science based community, article or gtfo

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[–] TheBlue22@lemmy.blahaj.zone 33 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I no longer trust Sabine when it comes to anything but physics.

She has proven time and again to oversimplify and assume her correctness in topics she has on expertise on.

[–] Sodis@feddit.de 20 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Her video on nuclear reactors was awful. She just neglected facts, that didn't fit her narrative.

[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago (6 children)

Her videos that touch on some psychology/sociology topics are even worse. As a psychologist I disagree with everything she says whenever she is not talking about her very narrow niche of expertise.

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[–] kromem@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

Even on physics you can't trust her necessarily.

She's prone to pushing fringe theoretical physics ideas without contextualizing the degree to which they are fringe.

Not a bad resource for physics explanations and discussion - just take with a grain of salt.

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[–] wabafee@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Ironic conversation with someone close, we were strolling nearby a river. Comments about river being dirty, talks about people on this area lack of dicipline. After awhile buys a bottle of water then proceed to throw plastic beside the road, nearby the river. Me Surprised Pikachu face.

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[–] xkforce@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago

It is insane that there are scientists out there that weren't worried about climate change until now. And dissappointing that Sabine was apparently one if them.

[–] Tristaniopsis@aussie.zone 16 points 9 months ago (3 children)

WTF is praying going to do?!?

[–] Argonne@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago (1 children)

If you know anything about Sabine she is definitely not a religious person. She is definitely not praying there. It's a common hand gesture of fear and hope.

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[–] wabafee@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)
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[–] YeetPics@mander.xyz 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

About the same as the other solutions we've tried.

(we haven't).

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[–] white_shotgun@aussie.zone 15 points 9 months ago

Accelerated climate change is a real thing

[–] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 5 points 9 months ago

Damn, as if the outlook wasn't already bad enough

[–] Nudding@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This lady is fantastically entertaining, thank you for the discovery!

Shame about the climate, hopefully whatever takes over after humans can live in harmony with its environment ✌️

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago (7 children)

She's fine, as long as you don't take what she says at face value. Or automatically accept it. She has felt compelled to make videos on topics she really had no standing or need to. Packed with misinformation and false premise. When it comes to physics related things. Like climate change, she's probably fine. But if you want to see something so bad and wrong it's beyond cringe. Go check out her videos on trans issues and capitalism at least. I used to enjoy watching her and her schtick. But since then I have not watched a single new video of hers. Because she's not that Entertaining. And if she doesn't bother to make sure the information she's presenting is correct and just talks from her fee fees. What the point.

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