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TranscriptAlabama suffocated a man to death in a gas chamber tonight after starving him so he wouldn't choke on his own vomit as they did it. And this was deemed perfectly legal by multiple courts in the vaunted American legal system.

That's what happens when you value institutions over people.

Link for more info: https://www.reuters.com/legal/alabama-prepares-carry-out-first-execution-by-nitrogen-asphyxiation-2024-01-25/

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[–] BetaBlake@lemmy.world 303 points 1 year ago (2 children)

He wasn't "starved", it says right there in the article that he was given his last meal this morning (Thursday) and allowed no solids after 10am because he suffered from nausea and was worried he'd vomit.

It's okay to be anti-execution but you don't have to make shit up to be inflammatory, there's plenty of other valid reasons to be against execution but making sure a man doesn't choke on his own vomit isn't one of them.

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[–] RiderExMachina@lemmy.ml 98 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Honestly, if I were to choose suicide, I'd go for a nitrogen slumber. Seems like a painless way to go.

[–] Daefsdeda@sh.itjust.works 38 points 1 year ago (3 children)

They didn't seem to do it correctly and it took a while. It described in the article but it is horrible.

[–] Commiunism@lemmy.wtf 71 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Death penalty in the US and not doing it correctly, name a more fitting duo

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Obligatory Jacob Geller

Crazy how as our methods of execution get easier to watch, they get more torturous to the individual. Give me a firing squad or a guillotine any day. Y'all lethal inject me, I'm haunting your asses

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[–] null@slrpnk.net 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It sounds like he tried to hold his breath, not that they did it incorrectly.

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[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Hmm, I think I'd choose "cocaine overdose".

[–] mkhopper@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago

Too dangerous. You might mis-judge the amount and just end up having a good time.

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[–] settoloki@lemmy.one 9 points 1 year ago

It's the way the suicide pods work, apparently

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[–] Nacktmull@lemm.ee 62 points 1 year ago (15 children)

The death penalty is a reason not to consider the USA a civilized country.

[–] Diplomjodler@feddit.de 49 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Among many. Extrajudicial Executions are far more common than official ones. And the police rob more money of people than all other criminals combined (excluding white collar crime, of course). So yeah, totally civilised.

[–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 year ago

And the death penalty is not legal in many states, but cops murdering people in the streets is legal in all 50.

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[–] Zoboomafoo@slrpnk.net 60 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

"Starving?"

I bet surgeons hate you

[–] Mango@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I was STARVED so I could have my wisdom teeth removed!

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 51 points 1 year ago (49 children)

Bluntly, choking on your own vomit is probably a really terrible way to die. If I recall correctly he was put in a chamber where the majority of the air in the room was replaced with nitrous oxide, asphyxiating the subject. If he had choked on his vomit, it would have been closer to drowning than suffocating in the manner that was intended.

By asphyxiating him in this way, his suffering was effectively eliminated during the execution; but if he had vomited and choked on it.... Well, I don't know if you've ever found yourself short of air in a body of water, but it's a pretty unpleasant experience. It only gets worse as you get closer to death when drowning (from what I've heard/understood from people who have nearly drown).

The intention of not giving him food so he didn't vomit, was a humane decision, not intended for additional suffering and cruelty.

Twisting the intent like this is doing a disservice to the entire process. You can dislike capital punishment all you want, and I may even agree that it shouldn't be done, but the fact is, this statement is misleading at best. I'm all for a healthy discussion on it, but let's not conflate the issue with these misconceptions.

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I believe it was a mask with nitrogen.

[–] somtwo@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

That's my understanding as well. So since I don't see anyone else saying this in detail here goes:

I am not a biologist or a medical professional, but this is my understanding of the process.

The human body does not monitor blood oxygen levels. When you or I hold our breath, the feeling of urgent discomfort we feel is due to a rise in the carbon dioxide (more specifically the carbonic acid) in our blood. Inhaling pure nitrogen will still allow CO2 to exit the bloodstream, so if someone is not made aware of the fact that they are breathing pure nitrogen, they won't even know they are dying.

This person knew they were being executed, which I can only imagine induced a ton of stress and anxiety, yes. However, if you were to tell me that I was being executed tomorrow but I could pick which of the methods currently employed in the US I would be killed by, this would be at the top of the list.

If you want to argue that executing people is morally wrong and we should stop, sure, let's have that discussion. However, we don't need to characterize this method as more inhumane than others to do so.

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[–] rbesfe@lemmy.ca 31 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Better go after every hospital for "starving" patients before surgery

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 1 year ago (11 children)

love how we can murder criminals but if i want to murder myself legally, it's impossible.

Thanks guys, very cool.

[–] papertowels@lemmy.one 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

We're getting there.

A handful of states allow medical death with dignity.

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[–] crumbtalk@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

And this was after botching a first execution where the execution team had some questionable judgement

[–] Alexstarfire@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is what happens when education systems fail. They produce people who don't know what the hell they are talking about.

I'm assuming this person isn't intentionally trying to deceive.

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