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[–] Jakdracula@lemmy.world 84 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Placebos prove that our bodies could heal us, but choose not to.

[–] Quoll_Strife@lemmy.world 64 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Lazy millennial blood cells.

[–] didnt_readit@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

Yeah if your blood cells would stop eating so much avocado toast maybe they could afford a house!

[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

Make coffee at home and buy aspirin.

[–] DoctorWhookah@sh.itjust.works 29 points 10 months ago

Nobody wants to work anymore!

[–] Johanno@feddit.de 15 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Well ACKTSCHUALLLY:

The placebo effect includes the positive response of getting rid of an illness that without any pills or effect would have been solved by the body anyways.

Yes there are occasions where without the mind thinking it will help you will suffer longer from a disease but most of the time a positive mind is just enough. So a clown might be more effective than a placebo pill.

It's rather the body heals us and we give the pills the credit for it.

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 10 months ago

You’d think that, but there have been studies where the subjects have been explicitly told they were receiving placebos, and still had positive effects.

In fact, there is a woman who was told essentially “this is a study to see if placebos can help with IBS, here is your placebo, it should do nothing.” And they helped her to the point that she begged to continue receiving the placebo pills because they helped her.

So it’s not just a feeling, or a mindset. There’s something to placebo we still don’t understand.

[–] lars@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 10 months ago

Reminds me of cats: if they could call you, they wouldn’t.

[–] nyahlathotep@sh.itjust.works 51 points 10 months ago (2 children)

*no active ingredient, placebo does have an effect

[–] abfarid@startrek.website 12 points 10 months ago

But it's not the healing kind, just makes you feel like it is. Which sometimes is enough..? Ok, it is potentially the healing kind, then.

[–] MacNCheezus@lemmy.today 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You are technically correct

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 7 points 10 months ago

The best kind of correct!

[–] shneancy@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago

remember, it works best when a man in a doctor's coat gives it to you!

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Can placebos actually work purely on with a mental effect?

[–] vala@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah I'm pretty sure that's what placebo means.

[–] UndercoverUlrikHD@programming.dev 3 points 10 months ago

A lot of aches and pains are just made up by your brain. Modalities such as massages, foam rollers, etc... does nothing to you when it comes to actually healing your body or helping your recovery, but many people swear by it regardless.

Slight ache in your lower back? Depending how you mentally approach it, that pain may dissappear or get worse.

It's why doctors have to careful about the nocebo effect, you might end creating a negative side effect for for your patient by just mentioning the potential side effects.

[–] cynar@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Self hypnosis is a good example. You can cause large scale changes in mental feedback loops, with nothing but some effort and a guiding voice. It's to the point where people have had surgery without anesthetic. They used hypnosis to literally turn off pain.

I suspect most placebo effects work through the same pathways in the brain. The trick is tapping into them and creating a new stable feedback loop.

[–] farfarawaay@sh.itjust.works 0 points 10 months ago (2 children)

It blows my mind that the whole antihistamine market is just a bunch of decongestants. WHERE DO MY ITCHES GO!?

[–] Duranie 12 points 10 months ago

It blows my mind that the whole anti-inflammatory market is just a bunch of pain relievers. WHERE DOES MY PAIN GO!?

Many medications have multiple effects, some more significant than others.

[–] Misconduct@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

What's really wild is that the side effect of coming off of stuff like zyrtec is ITCHING. Once I got through the itchy "withdrawals" I hardly ever needed it anymore other than occasional bad reactions. Like, wtf? They really make it seem like it should be taken every day when it absolutely shouldn't. Not to mention the weird weight gain it causes that they never seem to mention anywhere ever.

Obviously everyone's mileage may vary but it's kinda creepy looking into antihistamines and some of their shenanigans that get swept under the rug.