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Mozilla’s ”Platform Tilt” Shows How Firefox Is Harmed by Apple, Microsoft::The new Platform Tilt database shows how other web browsers have an unfair advantage over Firefox.

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[–] CanadianCorhen@lemmy.ca 83 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Mozilla, the company behind Firefox and Thunderbird, has talked a lot in recent years about the unfair advantages that platforms give to their first-party web browsers. Platform Tilt is a new effort from Mozilla to show how Firefox and other third-party browsers stack up against Chrome on Android, Safari on iPhone, and other platform pairings.

Mozilla said in a blog post, "There’s a long history of companies leveraging their control of devices and operating systems to tilt the playing field in favor of their own browser. This tilt manifests in a variety of ways. For example: making it harder for a user to download and use a different browser, ignoring or resetting a user’s default browser preference, restricting capabilities to the first-party browser, or requiring the use of the first-party browser engine for third-party browsers."

Mozilla is now outlining these "tilts" in a new "Platform Tilt" issue tracker database, while encouraging other web browsers to publish their concerns in a similar fashion. The main purpose is to call more attention to how platforms like iOS and Windows favor their own web browser over the competition, which is useful information in the various antitrust legal actions against Apple, Microsoft, and other big tech companies.

There are ten issues listed with Apple, including the Apple App Store forbiding third-party browser engines, no option to import browser data on iPhone and iPad from other web browsers, and difficult beta testing. On Android, Mozilla points out it can't import browser data, some features open Chrome instead of the default web browser, and Google search results on Android are worse.

Mozilla also highlighted three issues with Microsoft. The process for setting the default browser on Windows is still difficult, and some Windows features forcibly open links in Edge instead of the default web browser. Microsoft also reverts the default browser to Edge during some Windows setup interactions. Most of those issues were recently made illegal by the European Union, but Microsoft is free to continue doing them in other regions, like the United States.

The new database is a bit like Mozilla's WebCompat project, which documents the problems that popular websites have in Firefox and other less-popular web browsers. However, instead of specific sites creating a worse experience for Firefox users, Platform Tilt is about software platforms creating a worse experience.

You can check out the full Platform Tilt database at the source link below. It will likely continue to be updated as Mozilla sorts through its issue trackers.

[–] Dariusmiles2123@sh.itjust.works 39 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It’s good that these bad practices are being talked about.

I hope Firefox remains big enough to keep being an actor in the web landscape.

[–] scottrepreneur@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago

Hijacking top thread to say, if you haven't tried their new android browser, definitely check it out! Aiming to be largely compatible with desktop extensions, solid experience so far.

[–] GuyDudeman@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago

Link to the thing the article is talking about:

https://mozilla.github.io/platform-tilt/

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

If anyone is curious it isn't too hard to setup Android Studio with adb to remove all these unwanted apps. Android can't forcibly open Chrome if its been removed.

[–] graymess@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Does it open Firefox instead, then?

[–] tb_@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

If it's set as your default, I believe it does.

I've had Chrome disabled forever, Firefox as my default, and never had any issues with the wrong browser being opened.

[–] nodsocket@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Can't view article without disabling adblocker, didn't read

[–] Mooseshroom@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

There's literally a link that says "continue without disabling"

[–] bluey@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

works fine with ublock

[–] YourAvgMortal@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

The article is behind the Adblock banner. You could use reader mode (if you have it), or block the banner itself

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago

No there isn’t

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Not sure what trash adblocker you run, but it doesn't even send up a warning for UBO.

[–] V0lD@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Not everything that isn't ublock is automatically bad. Especially if you just want an adblocker and not also all the other stuff it comes with

[–] hedgehog@ttrpg.network 2 points 9 months ago

Not everything that isn't ublock is automatically bad.

No, but if a product fails to do the one thing it was made to do, it’s bad.

Especially if you just want an adblocker and not also all the other stuff it comes with

What else does uBlock Origin come with? Like, content filtering, yes, but that’s pretty fundamentally coupled with ad blocking.

Given the implication that uBO is bloated, I’d also love to know what other adblockers you’ve been using that are more performant and/or less resource-intensive than uBO. The benchmarks I’ve seen show uBO performing better than ABP, but those metrics are all several years old at this point.

[–] LibreFish@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

On Android, Mozilla points out it can't import browser data

You mean Android was built from the ground up to be a secure platform and not allow apps to meddle with other app's data?

This is a security and privacy feature that's very useful and applies to all apps.