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A senior Egyptian who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity says terror group Hamas has rejected Israel’s proposal for a two-month ceasefire in which Hamas would release Israeli hostages in exchange for Palestinian security prisoners.

The official says Hamas leaders have also refused to leave Gaza and are demanding that Israel fully withdraw from the territory and allow Palestinians to return to their homes.

Under Israel’s proposal, Yahya Sinwar and other top Hamas leaders in Gaza would be allowed to relocate to other countries.

The official says Egypt and Qatar, which have brokered past agreements between Israel and Hamas, are developing a multi-stage proposal to try to bridge the gaps. The proposal would include ending the war, releasing the hostages and putting forth a vision for resolving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

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[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 25 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Did this proposal include anything to do with reigning in military and off-duty cop-backed settler violence in West Bank and Gaza? The cases of violence of which only 6% of police probes ended in any sort of prosecution

How the last ceasefires went, settlers continued to raid and stole land, food, shelter and belongings, escorted by Israeli military for "security", and any attempt at resistance Israel could point the finger at "Hamas breaking the ceasefire". Or they were just shot dead.

[–] Lynthe@sh.itjust.works 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Given that Hamas does not operate in the West Bank I'm dubious that what you are describing in a West Bank hypothetical would occur. Illegal settlements in the West Bank are awful and should be stopped by Israel - but they are not directly tied to the current conflict with Hamas.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Right, but I'm saying a peace deal in Gaza should include Israel's activities in West Bank, because they are needless casualties of Israel's continued aggression in and around Jenin since July, and only escalated further in retaliation of the October massacre. They aren't disconnected, even if Hamas doesn't operate there.

[–] Lynthe@sh.itjust.works -4 points 10 months ago

Israel should stop settlements in the West Bank because its the right thing to do. However if I were a Palestinian in Gaza and a peace deal was derailed because Hamas was refusing to agree without West Bank settlement concessions I'd be pretty pissed.

That being said given that Hamas broke the last ceasefire agreement, and their stated goal is to conduct other attacks like Oct 7th, I'm not sure how a ceasefire could be reached even on narrow grounds.

[–] DoomBot5@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

Just a point of clarification, Hamas does operate in the West Bank, but they don't control or manage it.

[–] Doorbook@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago (1 children)

So Israel gave these stupid terms that anyone with a brain cell would refuse, and the 4 Zainoist here will claim "Hamas doesn't care about Palestinians life, look they refused a peace deal"

[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

When did Hamas suddenly become the good guys anyways? Both leaderships need to go, but acting like Hamas aren't a bunch of self interested fucks is just silly

[–] Doorbook@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Putting 2 million people in impossible living conditions with restricted water electricity in gaza while continuing to build settlement and giving any jew and Israeli passport to live there while building multiple checkpoint to make it impossible for people in west bank to have freedom of movement and expect no resistance movement to come out is just a stupid statement coming from freedom loving people. While they may not be the best, thinking a peaceful resistance would work ( west bank) is stupid at best.

[–] kaffiene@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago

Nobody thinks they're the good guys. I think most people think Hamas are an understandable and inevitable consequence of an ntolerable situation

[–] white_shotgun@aussie.zone 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Netanyahoo is a deadset fucken yahoo like if you have yahoo in your name well that just about says it all

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

I dunno. I quite like Yahoo Serious. I still watch Young Einstein now and again. Where else are you going to watch someone defuse an atomic beer keg with a steam punk electric guitar.

[–] roastedDeflator@kbin.social 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Some context that would not be included in times of israel would be the following:

Israel rejects Hamas hostage release deal, lays out own Gaza truce terms

The proposal comes following Netanyahu's rejection of a Hamas offer that sought an end to the war in return for the release of the remaining hostages.

The Israeli government has offered a new proposal to Hamas that would see a two-month ceasefire in return for the release of Israeli hostages, after rebuffing a Hamas offer.

It is also unknown if any of the over 6,000 Palestinians that have been detained by the Israeli military since 7 October from the occupied West Bank will be included in the deal.

Some 250 hostages were taken during Hamas' attack on Israel on 7 October, with 130 being released during a one-week ceasefire in November.

Families of the Israeli hostages have ramped up calls for their release, with protests occurring outside Netanyahu's house and inside the Israeli Knesset on Sunday.

UN agencies have repeatedly called for a ceasefire for an increase in humanitarian aid into Gaza, as UNRWA reports that 570,000 people face catastrophic hunger in the enclave.

[–] DeadHorseX@lemmy.world -2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm not really sure what that adds.

When you declare war, as Hamas did on October 7th, you don't get to set the terms of your own surrender.

[–] roastedDeflator@kbin.social -1 points 10 months ago

I’m not really sure what that adds.

As mentioned above it adds context. Context to the claims of the main Israeli news outlet.

And please, do not talk as if this started last October, cause it's definitely not the case.

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Hamas are obviously looking for a deal that will ensure their survival

[–] Doorbook@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago

Two months, all hostages, then we start continue the bombing of any building and not allowing food and aid to enter.

Sound like a good deal if you are Netanyahu.