Damn. Wish the rest of Europe would do it this big.
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In Germany millions are protesting against our fascist party AfD, after they unveiled their mass deportation plans.
I know. It's good.
Look great.
Now I am expeting the same millions of people protesting the things that let afd to grow.
Remember, afd is a consequence not a cause.
Yeah, but destroying the consequence is sometimes needed to eliminate the cause.
Only if you just want to hide the causes in the short term.
But let's assume that you destroy afd, do you really think that all the people that vote for them will change their mind while having the same problems ? You basically only said to them to shut up, do you really think it will work well ? Maybe for the next electoral deadline, but then ?
You mean Russian Money and Disinformation Propaganda?
Whatever are the causes, if you just remove the consequences you don't solve the problem.
Let's assume that afd grow only becasue Russian money and disinformation (which I personlly don't belive like I don't belive that Fratelli d'Italia won because suddently 30% if the italian population is fascist), do you really think that destroying afd will stop the flow of money and disinformation ? They simply will choose (or build) another group to give the money to making better choices.
And you will end up in a situation where the far right group will be able to paint you as the bad guy because you oppose things that basically will be the same things afd is proposing now but with a much nicer dress so that they look acceptable.
No but they will loose all their existing structures money and the personnel involved is "burned". They can't just found a new party. So it buys a few years to tackle the problems in other ways.
I would not be that optimist about the "few years", expecially because I don't see the will to fix the problems which leaded to the afd (and far right in general) grow.
To me this just seems something like "hide the dirt under the rug and hope that it will go away". And it is a stupid path to follow
the french are already doing it quite well, wherever you live would definetely benefit from a protest of this scale.
The French right wing party βFront Nationalβ nearly won the presidential election. I think France should do a lot better!!
When? Where? Last time I remember this in France was 19 years ago. :-(
Let's just appreciate for a moment how great of a choice Ode to Joy is for the European Anthem. It's a very memorable tune which honestly kind of slaps in a way that few anthems do.
Still not as great as La Marseillaise (which is not even a song, but a war chant meant to be hollered), but one of the best anthems out there nonetheless.
I was confused after reading the post and got worried thinking it was the Nazis using Ode to Joy as their own.
The Pete Seeger version that I've often heard sometimes called Ode to Joy/Russian Song has fantastic lyrics. Not speaking German, I'm wondering if these folks are singing the same translation?
It's beautiful. Many of the comments here demonstrate that Lemmy still needs to learn how to not feed the trolls, and I wonder if it's something similar that's needed in real life politics.
I think the difference is posting on lemmy isn't quite the same as having an entire society's fate in your hands.
I can ignore despicable politicians, but that doesn't prevent them getting elected and targetting people like me.
Reminds me of Oswald Mosley (leader of the British fascist party c. 1930s) saying that it didn't matter if they won tomorrow or after a hundred years. Thankfully he was wrong about winning... but truly these fascist fuckers will always pop up somewhere.
We know it's a bad idea, we know it's a dangerous idea, we know it's a deadly idea, and a complete failure in practice. Sign me up! /s
This is great news. However, I can't help but fear that people went back to their private lives afterwards thinking "well done, we defended democracy". Where to go from here? How to keep people engaged in fighting the right? What are realistic next steps for those of us wanting to do more than voting and the occasional demonstration, other than violence? On another note, how might one approach minorities concerned by the indicated policies to join the movement?
Die Partei: Nazis tΓΆten. You love to see it
25 seconds later: π©πͺ - Flagge wtf haha
If you had to boil down, the german constitution into one short sentence, it would be 'Never again'.
So displaying the german flag at such an occasion, is acually one of the few occasions where it is appropriate to use it in an political context IMHO.
And as a bonus point it gives nazis a taste of there own medicine, by taking symbols & language used by the opposition for your own movement. But in an non-stupid way this time.
I'm glad to see people up in arms about this. We need more of this. Across the world.
Wait what, I didn't know Ode to joy had lyrics.
Ode to Joy is Beethoven's 9th symphony, and has lyrics. The anthem of the EU is the same but without lyrics.
One step further: it's Schiller's poem. Beethoven turned it into a symphony.
Fuck AfD!!!!
I wholly recommend Slavoj Zizek's take on the 1st part of the 9th and its appropriation by different dictatorships and ideologies.
There are better songs if you want to bash fashs.
That video seems cut off. Zizek never gets to explain how Beethoven was criticizing anything with the second part of his symphony. How can lyric-less music criticize anything?
I believe at the time the Church had rules about musical timing for its music and things like certain chords and i think 3/4 timing as a whole were considered a sin.
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Okay but like when are you going to act on it instead of this meaningless shit?
Fascism needs to driven out through violence and force not holding hands and singing kumbaya.
I'm an enthusiastic supporter of punching Nazis in the face. One punch and Richard Spencer ceased to be a threat in my country. We always need Nazi punchers. Just violent enough to pierce the veil of invulnerability fascists need but not violent enough to create martyrs for their movement.
"Righteous Violence" is at the core of fascism, but the rest of it is in propaganda techniques. There are many "nice" fascist ambassadors politely wheedling their way into every formal and informal organization of people. They would be much more successful if there was not already a widespread revulsion of fascism throughout almost all countries exposed to it. That revulsion isn't just passed down, it has to be taught. Gigantic public demonstrations like this are the opposite of moments like this which have been happening in my country since 2016. Huge anti-fascist demonstrations are very important to resist fascism, since they are trying to peddle their ideology as natural and something all people believe and only a few are brave enough to claim. They have to be proven wrong for the kids they otherwise would appeal to.
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