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[–] teft@lemmy.world 118 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Ctrl-shift-esc will open the task manager directly. None of that Carl alt del nonsense.

[–] buycurious@lemmy.world 77 points 10 months ago (10 children)

Ctrl-alt-del is meant to be a hard interrupt to the system.

Ctrl-shift-esc treats it like another task.

[–] Sheeple@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago

Interesting so that's why system performance gets wonky when task Manager is opened with CTRL+alt+Del

I'll keep that in mind when I wanna kill tasks but not disrupt performance

[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

I assume this terminology originally referred to an actual interrupt handled by a kernel interrupt handler, and half of the people in this thread have no idea what that means.

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[–] gnutrino@programming.dev 101 points 10 months ago (4 children)
[–] Sheeple@lemmy.world 34 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I don't even get why force shutting a program isn't the fucking default.

[–] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 54 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Because you run the risk of corrupting files.

[–] Slovene@feddit.nl 64 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

And then they'd start doing drugs, gambling, taking bribes ...

[–] thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

And prostitutes. And shiny metal asses.

[–] Slovene@feddit.nl 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

In fact, forget the closing of programs.

[–] dandroid@dandroid.app 49 points 10 months ago (5 children)

It can be really dangerous for some programs. I don't know too much about Windows, but in Linux, if we try to close a program once, it sends SIGTERM (or SIGINT, I can't remember right now), which basically asks your program to stop. You program can receive that signal and finish things up and exit cleanly. But if your program is deadlocked and can't handle that right now, closing the program again sends it a SIGKILL, which is basically the OS saying, "Get fucked. You're done whether you like it or not."

[–] oce@jlai.lu 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's not dangerous for programs, it's dangerous for files it may be editing, like not writing some ending characters that leaves the file in a state that cannot be opened by some applications.

[–] dandroid@dandroid.app 5 points 10 months ago

I didn't mean the programs were in danger. When this is done to some programs, it can cause bad things to happen to your computer.

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[–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 10 months ago
[–] hakunawazo@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago (2 children)
[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 6 points 10 months ago

The one thing they're missing, which honestly shouldn't happen on at least desktop distros, is the system becoming unresponsive under memory pressure because before the kernel decides to kill off anything it rather swaps its own data structures out to disk, grinding everything to such a crawl that it's indistinguishable from a complete freeze.

The solution is early OOM, which is more aggressive at killing things off and it honestly should be installed and activated by default.

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[–] jinarched@lemm.ee 39 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Ctrl-Shift-esc

You're welcome.

[–] Just_Pizza_Crust@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

As the fifth person to say that, I think the author may have baited you into writing this. It's sinilar to when someone misspells a word in the title of a TikTok video, as tons of well meaning people will comment on the error, thus generating attention.

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[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

Faster to open, doesn't send a system interrupt.

If all is well: CTRL+SHIFT+ESC

Stuck program needs a kick in the ass: CTRL+ALT+DELETE

[–] bulwark@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Remember how Volkswagen got in trouble a few years back for faking emissions when the car detected it was being tested. It would interesting to see if something like that could exist with RAM and task manager.

[–] applebusch@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It definitely can for the graphics card. I got a trojan one time that was mining crypto using 100% of the gpu causing it to heat up and blow the fan like crazy, and it stopped every time I opened the task manager.

[–] SaltyIceteaMaker@iusearchlinux.fyi 8 points 10 months ago

I didn't even think of the possibility that a program could detect task manager.

Just keep task manager open and they cant do shit lol

[–] eating3645@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] bulwark@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

Lol I love this guy's channel. I thought of him as soon as I asked that question.

[–] BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works 23 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Had a beast of a desktop machine back in 2000, it could even decode DVD real-time. But sometimes DVD playback would hang. Pushing the power button 5s would switch off the machine, but 3-4s would get DVD playback working again.

That's how I learned that the road to success is to bully and intimidate... At least your hardware

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 7 points 10 months ago

Back in the 00s, when you told Windows to sort a big directory by modified date or so it would take ages, but be faster when you scrolled up and down. That's still the case. Presumably that's because explorer will launch more concurrent "get file metadata" tasks. Overall it's still slow, though.

It's actually not NTFS's fault, but explorer: Nushell gets file metadata in at most 1/100th of the time (the sorting itself is negligible), Linux is still faster at handling NTFS than windows even then, though, nushell on windows is merely fast enough to not be annoying.

[–] loudWaterEnjoyer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 10 months ago (4 children)

I'm running Linux but I thought CTRL, Shift and ESC is the shortcut for Task Manager

[–] swag_money@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago

it is! but you can also launch it from the ctrl alt delete menu

[–] sag@lemm.ee 6 points 10 months ago

You just thought?? I was damn sure

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

True, but CTRL+ALT+DEL sends a system interrupt in addition. Breaks a lot of deadlocks, hence why people think it's magic.

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[–] Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca 4 points 10 months ago

I'm pretty sure CTRL+ALT+DEL used to be the task manager shortcut, but around 7 or 8 a menu was added with logout and shutdown options. I don't know how long CTRL+SHIFT+ESC has been a thing, but it's an effective replacement (and easier to press with one hand :] ).

[–] a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 10 months ago (1 children)

For everyone who wants a better task manager, go to Microsofts Sysinternals Website and get Process Explorer. You're welcome.

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[–] BassaForte@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Time to kill some child... processes

[–] Sheeple@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago (1 children)
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[–] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, windows task manager doesn't do shit if you are already low on resources. My desktop doesn't have a lot of resources to be used up and there have been a few times task manager is just as bad as the programs I want it to kill due to lack of resources.

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

It will very gladly show you all the resources are being consumed by some service you don't need, can't uninstall or disable, and will just consume more resources by restarting if you terminate the process.

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[–] mariusafa@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 10 months ago

Everybody gangsta until kill -9 showsup

[–] otter@lemmy.ca 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Lol every time

I know it's just psychology (and any resource reallocation that happens when task manager opens) but it's still funny

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 27 points 10 months ago

I have totally caught malware checking to see if task manager is running, and cooling it until it is closed. Some cryptocurrency mining trojans do this. You can verify it by using a tool other than task manager, e.g. System Explorer or Process Hacker. Usually they're not smart enough to poll for third party tools, so they'll quiet down when only task manager is opened and not when you're using any third party tools.

[–] problematicPanther@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (2 children)

what i really want, what i really need, is just a windows equivalent to xkill. window not responding? ctrl+alt+esc, click. it's dead along with its entire family.

[–] DragonOracleIX@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

SuperF4? It hasn't been updated in years, but I haven't had any issues with it.

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[–] thecookingsenpai@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

I am still convince that soon or after they will discover an hidden function in Windows that overclock briefly every component when task manager is opened

[–] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 8 points 10 months ago (5 children)
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