this post was submitted on 16 Jan 2024
260 points (95.8% liked)

Technology

59300 readers
4765 users here now

This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.


Our Rules


  1. Follow the lemmy.world rules.
  2. Only tech related content.
  3. Be excellent to each another!
  4. Mod approved content bots can post up to 10 articles per day.
  5. Threads asking for personal tech support may be deleted.
  6. Politics threads may be removed.
  7. No memes allowed as posts, OK to post as comments.
  8. Only approved bots from the list below, to ask if your bot can be added please contact us.
  9. Check for duplicates before posting, duplicates may be removed

Approved Bots


founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] WhiteHotaru@feddit.de 97 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Why are US users so focused on iMessage? I have seen rejected date memes because the message bubble had the wrong color. There are tons of alternatives out there. Is this a status thing?

[–] Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip 25 points 10 months ago (3 children)

vast majority of people use the default app their phone choice comes with.

historically eise, the reason EU uses whatsapp was that there was a time period early on where sms costed money, so people used whatsapp to circumvent that. the U.S didnt have that problem as sms was free for the majority of people in that time period.

[–] echo64@lemmy.world 23 points 10 months ago (4 children)

This seems a bit revisionist. Everyone had an amount of smses per month that were free in their contract.

People switched to whatsapp because it was better than sms.

[–] Natanael@slrpnk.net 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Not everybody, and not infinitely far back. There was definitely a period where there were no free texts included (although I do think that by the iPhone introduction many did have it, but still not all!)

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

And also because Whatsapp was available on every platform, from the dominant ones at the time (Nokia and Blackberry) to the newcomers (iOS, Android, even Windows Phone and more obscure ones like Samsung's whatever it was called).

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] LWD@lemm.ee 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] WhiteHotaru@feddit.de 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

39 cents/SMS. I remember this time. This does not explain why it has to be that specific protocol, though.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 4 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Also, at the time, WhatsApp was pretty much the only option. Nowadays, there are a lot of other options.

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] Plasma@lemmy.ml 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Yes it's a status thing and I'm aware of people who have been rejected on dates for having an Android.

[–] purplemonkeymad@programming.dev 18 points 10 months ago

Sounds like they are better off that way. Anyone who thinks that is important is probably not worth it.

[–] GilgameshCatBeard@lemmy.ca 5 points 10 months ago

I’ll bet that most of them never happened. But they do make great memes!

[–] cbarrick@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

The average American is not tech savvy.

(Which is surprising, given that the US has arguably the strongest software development industry in the world.)

Most Americans just use the default apps installed on their phones. Facebook Messenger is really the only non-default messaging app with mass market penetration, and that's because most Americans already have Facebook accounts.

Americans just don't want to sign up for new accounts or learn new apps. Therefore, iMessage won by default.

[–] LWD@lemm.ee 87 points 10 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)
[–] otter@lemmy.ca 31 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Yep

This also extends to other products. Don't use your personal Gmail to do 'TOS violating' things. Better yet, separate it as much a possible with different devices, VPNs, etc.

Losing your primary email will SUCK

(Also make backups)

[–] Arbiter@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I don’t think it’s fair to lay blame on the consumers here, this is big tech acting as monopolies and should be prosecuted as such.

[–] jasep@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I don't think anyone here is blaming the users, the comments are saying they shouldn't be surprised.

Users blatantly violate TOS > company bans account > shocked Pikachu face

I agree with the above commenter that they should have expected this. I remember watching SnazzyLabs video about Beeper when it was about to come out, and the video essentially said 'people have been doing this for awhile, I don't think Apple will care about Beeper' and I thought oh yes they will.

Do I think Apple is in the right here? No. Am I surprised they're taking this action? Also no.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] neshura@bookwormstory.social 4 points 10 months ago

yet whenever the EU smacks down on Apple for being monopolistic assholes the fanbois come crawling out of their holes and start crying about how they liked their shitty walled garden and that now everything will go to hell because someone is forcing Apple to do reasonable things. (See USB C mandate, see DMA discussion about the AppStore)

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 47 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (21 children)

Violating the iMessage/iCloud user agreement can, yes, result in getting booted from the platform. It’s in the terms of service. It was a risk everyone took when using beeper. 

[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 34 points 10 months ago

“How dare they access their own messages!”

load more comments (20 replies)
[–] rodolfo@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago

the users are holding their wallet the wrong way, probably

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Welp, yep, get on the wrong side of a company and they can take everything you enjoyed from their "integrated" ecosystem away from you. That's why we need to remove these types of walled garden monopolies.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I think the bigger news here is that Pebble Founder Eric Migicovsky has once again bitten off more than he can chew.

I personally was already skeptical of Beeper based on Migicovsky's terrible treatment of the Pebble devs on the way out (they were supposed to be sold with the company, that ended up not being the case and they were left jobless), and personal experiences when on the original Beeper waitlist (was not notified our onboarding session would be recorded until joining the session, follow up questions ignored), but this really seems to reveal that he never had a real solid plan to deal with this potential outcome (that most saw coming from a mile away).

Beeper was originally supposed to be a "universal chat app" in the vein of classic apps like Trillian, Adium or Pidgin, but they paid particular attention to trying to get iMessage into the game from early on. It's genuinely odd to think that they've been persuing iMessage compatability for this long to not have considered this as an outcome, especially after the release of Beeper Cloud, which was an actual reverse engineer of the iMessage protocol.

The classic Beeper app (I forget the name for it now) could have kept flying under the radar and being ignored by Apple, despite the fact that it required an intermediary iOS device to be able to work as it was. They originally were going to send out refurbished iPhone 4s to customers, but as iOS updates quickly made the iPhone 4 too far behind to still be functional in this way, they rolled out their own fleet of macOS servers as an intermediary.

It really seems like an ill-considered plan, and it really makes me glad I never dumped any money into the product, because this has kind of become a complete shitshow. We shouldn't be celebrating Apple's decision to do this, but Migicovsky never even had more than a few moves planned before he gave up on Beeper cloud, so it's not like we can count on him to be the one trying to mount a legal battle to change things and allow others access to iMessage through a legal framework.

Migicovsky bailed on Pebble pretty quickly when it became unprofitable. Will he do the same again? Seems likely to me, imho.

Anyway, TL;DR: I don't think this guy actually has a real business plan with any of this and I'm kind of surprised no devs involved had brought it up, considering it's been being developed for three years now.

[–] LWD@lemm.ee 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)
[–] smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 10 months ago

Another episode of "trying to contact people behind some big company app because they haven't heard what an Internet is".

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Can I just say that Beeper is the worst message app name I've ever heard? It fills me with inexplainable rage.

[–] smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Beeper, Telegram, Signal, Pidgeon, Wire, Session... Every word related to sending a message.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago

It's fine, apple users are not really people !

load more comments
view more: next ›