Calling Germany the 3rd best for digital nomads is the biggest indicator that this list can go directly into the garbage.
this post was submitted on 15 Jan 2024
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Yeah lmao our laws regarding the internet are utter bogshit. And I don't mean censorship. We straight up have outdated copyright and usage laws made by geriatric old politicians who have no internet understanding
Also, your broadband and mobile network is also pretty bad as far as Europe goes, especially compared to all your neighbours.
Our mobile contracts are a joke and absolutely unusable unless one pays absurd prices. And even then our "Unlimited" plans quickly get throttled into unusability.
That's sad to hear. I had hoped that with cities such as Berlin, Munich and Hamburg, the Internet infrastructure would have improved
with cities such as Berlin, Munich and Hamburg
I remember my vacations to Finland in the 2010s. You'd drive 45 minutes on a gravel backroad, but you'd have LTE coverage and unlimited volume with some 20ish Euro prepaid card from a shop at the ferry dock. That was absolutely weird as a German to me back then and it still would feel unusual now.
This country has been clinging to the, I don't know, 90s when things were remembered as somewhat okay and now there's about 30% of the people trying to steer it back to the 1930s instead of forward. We're fucked and on the best road to a has-been.
It imporved, but new software also requires better internet all the time. Hence it has to improve much faster. The good part is fiber is starting to be deployed on scale finally. Also 5g is actually deployed much faster then the previous standards, which makes catching up possible. However a lot of service providers do not offer it and it costs way more then in other EU countries.
The 5G thing will stop once the AfD is in power, because they believe it's some mind control tool.
The good part is fiber is starting to be deployed on scale finally.
That's good news!
It's still "Neuland" ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
Is digital nomad the new expat? Like we got a word for it: it's immigrant.
Is digital nomad the new expat?
Kind of.
Think of it like a retiree trying to find a place to live where their salary isn't tied to the local economy. It opens up a lot of places with a relatively low living expenses and high quality of life.
They are immigrants, but they are immigrants with money.
you forgot: "who don't pay taxes in the country they live in" :picard:
To immigrate anywhere you need quite a bit of money so immigrants usually have money. Like the travel alone is quite costly, not to mention housing.
Immigrant is the word for poor not-white people, silly. White rich people are called eXpAtS, don't you know?
/s
Definitely agree. Digital immigrant, reflects the reality more
Immigrant suggests desire for permanent residence though.
Immigrant suggests desire for permanent residence though.
I'd rather say "long term" than permanent.
You can immigrate to a country, work there for 10 years, then emigrate again.
Most of the digital nomads I know end up settling somewhere at some point, moving around all the time gets tiring after a while
Then at that time they become immigrants.
My understanding is that digital nomads are basically just long-term tourists rather than immigrants; they don't get visas that allow permanent residency or anything. Iceland's digital nomad visa, for example, only lets you stick around for 6 months, and you can't renew it more than once a year. So you really do have to be somewhat nomadic, and travel to a different country.
I always thought it was about being Nomadic, so you're constantly moving.
So more like a permanent tourist, who is just doing their working hours during the holiday.
One week here, two weeks there etc.
I work with people who do this, so I know it exists.
I'd actually argue against (at least Western and Northern) Europe for digital nomads, purely because you could move to somewhere in the developing world and live an incredibly comfortable lifestyle thanks to a much lower cost of living. Your mileage will vary based on what languages you speak, of course.
Living in the developing world brings its own kind of issues, medical emergencies for instance, as well as the English proficiency around you (which is probably one of the reasons the top 3 countries are DK, DE and NL)
Germany has a low English proficiency, tho. Or did it change?
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Probably region dependent, but the cliche seems to be that when asked, Germans say "they don't speak English very well", while actually having a quite good level (based on what visiting English speakers say, anyway)
There are some places of value there.
Portugal is really cheap and had programs to bring in digital nomads. Berlin has a relatively low cost of living for Germany with decent amenities.
The split between developing and developed has dissolved.
Berlin and low cost of living... Where did you get that information from?
Berlin can be good value once you're settled. The problem is usually finding a decent apartment, not paying for it.
Compared to the rest of Western Europe it is.
Portugal is (far) eastern europe.
Did you mean western?
No, it is/was meme on the other site, in a lot of statistics Portugal aligns more with Eastern Europe. If you go far enough to the east you end up in the west, so Portugal is just a far eastern european country instead of western european.
No, stay away from Europe, we don't want you, our real estate prices are already sky high compared to the median wages. So don't come here!
Some countries really messed up their market, such as Portugal and their golden visa
Yeah my Portuguese friends have said the same. Many cant afford to buy in their own areas anymore.
Denmark
The Netherlands
Germany
Spain
Sweden
Portugal
Estonia
Lithuania
Ireland
Slovakia
Uh, yeah I'm gonna say this list can absolutely go into the garbage. Calling Denmark first is pure comedy due to the insane cost of co-working spaces, Denmark being the second worst country to integrate into after Sweden, insane rental deposits and the unreal taxes. (Researcher tax scheme excluded ๐)
Do you need a co-working space if you can just work from your flat?
Integration might be an issue, but I guess the foreigners population is enough to be able to socialise. I stumbled upon a channel by Americans explaining their experience in Denmark, they managed to make friends with other foreigners https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xMJWIExwgA&t=1
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Yeah the rent/pay ratio for a lot of jobs won't work great in the Netherlands.
Amsterdam is one of the most expensive cities in Europe, so an income from another nation won't get you very far (unless you're coming from Australia or London, where pay can be proportionally higher for some roles).
It would be like living off a small town salary while paying New York rent.