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[–] Filthmontane@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (38 children)

You're showing statues of Lenin in countries in which the Dictatorship of the Proletariat failed to cede power to the working class and establish a socialist economic structure.

When Lenin took power, Russia had nothing. It was in the middle of WW1, there were regular famines, almost everyone was illiterate, and it was in no condition to establish a socialist economic plan. So, Lenin created a temporary economic model called The Dictatorship of the Proletariat. This is a centrally planned economy designed to rapidly develop infrastructure and industry in a country that has none. Lenin was already ceding power to the worker's councils when he died. Stalin decided he liked The Dictatorship of the Proletariat and did not cede power back to the worker's councils.

Those countries never experienced Communism. They never even experienced socialism. They destroyed those statues because they hated The Dictatorship of the Proletariat. Living in a system designed for a short temporary economic boom for decades is no fun.

[–] Gxost@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

So-called "dictatorship of proletariat" was simply a terror. Lots of philosophers and religious elite was killed just because they weren't compatible with communist ideology. Rich peasants who didn't even use others labor were either robbed or killed. Peasants lost their land and had to work for the country. People got killed just because some anonyms told they did something bad. I know this because it happened to my ancestors. My grand-grandfather lost his house, communists left only one room for his family. His friends, all good people, dissapeared. His daughters never played with neighbor's kids because of fear. My other grand-grandfather lost land and two horses. His brother was killed for not agreeing to give away his house. And my another grand-grandfather was killed because an anonymous letter. He was communist and thought he was safe as he did nothing wrong. His kids couldn't get education because they were "children of the enemy of the people". Much later my grandfather got a paper concluding that execution of his father was a mistake. It was horrible time, and lots of people thought the ones who were killed were "pests" or "enemies of the people", so killing them was good and beneficial for the society.

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[–] CthulhuOnIce@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

People in the comments with a completely fictionalized idea of Lenin as some kind of libertarian hippie who hated Stalin's "authoritarianism" vs people in the comments with a completely fictionalized idea of Lenin as a "counterrevolutionary" (lol) or despot

[–] CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Lenin himself wasn't the problem and the Statures for him are usually for being a Revolutionary and removing the Tzar.

Stalin was the actual problem.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Let's be honest. Lenin is the problem. Karl Marx was a philosopher who spoke with a lot of figurative language. Which Lenin treated as all literal dogma. And I am here to tell you taking figurative work literally is one of the worst decisions you can make. Just like evangelicals who take the bible literally. When it isn't even a coherent work of fiction. Let alone a solid system of rule and law.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely. As can be clearly seen in every major country that has tried Lenin's blind ideology. (Cuba had some special circumstances that kept it from spiraling as fast as the others. Plus Venezuela is still a bit early to call. But likely will get there) Or pretty much every major capitalist nation as well. With Lenin as the lynchpin consistently making bad decisions. (Stalin) I think it's probably safe to say he had good intentions. But was far out of his depth and it showed.

And I'm not some liberal, or fascist critiquing from the right. Just a pro social democracy slightly libertarian leaning socialist.

He wasn't the coolest or nicest person, but definitely better than the Tzars, under him Russia had its best years.

[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lenin was a counterrevolutionary that brutally suppressed any dissent and directly placed Stalin (being well aware of what a person he was) in a position that would make his later takeover possible.

[–] CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lenin did not place Stalin, stalin took over. Other than that, yes.

[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Lenin placed Stalin as an enforcer to do the dirty stuff for him. It would be very naive to assume Lenin didn't know the risk involved of putting a former mob gangster in such a position.

[–] neuracnu@beehaw.org 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The photo of the USA Lenin statue isn't accurate. It resides in the Fremont neighborhood in Seattle, where it frequently has its hands and body splashed with red paint to represent the blood on Lenin's hands.

Just do an image search for it or check it out on google maps streetview.

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[–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

Technically, none of these countries experienced "communism". They experienced tankie-led hell holes. Never trust a tankie. They'll ally with you to fight for "the people" and then stab you in the back when they get a taste of power and don't need you anymore.

[–] GCostanzaStepOnMe@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago

Wtf I love capitalism now

Ackshully...

[–] Noughmad@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

France never experienced communism?

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