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[–] qooqie@lemmy.world 70 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Yeah it’s a weird fucking ritual isn’t it? It made a couple of my teachers mad in highschool that I refused to stand and pledge. It sounds edgy, but it’s such a weird brainwashy thing to do that

[–] Cold_Brew_Enema@lemmy.world 30 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Looking back, it is really weird. Do they still do "one nation, under god?" As someone who is no longer religious at all, I find this weird, too.

[–] pacmondo@sh.itjust.works 40 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It wasn't always like that, either. The "under god" part was added by Eisenhower in the 50s during the red scare. He added the "In God We Trust" thing to the money around the same time.

[–] ComradePorkRoll@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Shouldn't this upset Christians, then? To use the Lord's name in vain against communism?

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 2 points 10 months ago

When it involves money, Christians are pretty hypocrite

[–] seathru@lemm.ee 18 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I just lied and said I was Jehovah's Witnesses so I could sit out in the hall with the others. That was socially acceptable.

[–] mumblerfish@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

"Sit out int the hall with the others"... eh, who are the others that gets sent to the hallway during the pledge? The pledge is fucked up in it self, so are some people sent to the hallway like "well, if you want to be a traitor you have to leave"?

[–] seathru@lemm.ee 10 points 10 months ago

The other JWs. Or anyone with a religious exemption. I'm surprised they allowed it in such a rural religious school. Probably just because some of those other kids were well off for the area.

[–] Sombyr@lemmy.zip 4 points 10 months ago

I did the same thing except I wasn't lying. Ironically that cult is even nuttier than the cult of the flag. It was like I dodged a bullet by getting blown apart by artillery before it could hit me.

[–] jdadam@lemm.ee 35 points 10 months ago (2 children)

As a teacher, this is our daily ritual. They think we indoctrinate students, but by law we have to say this every morning. If students want to abstain, they just sit quietly. When asked if I can demonstrate that as a teacher, the school lawyers said I have that right, but they can't defend me if a parent complains...

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 27 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I love to remind people it was invented by a flag salesman to sell more flags. Are you allowed to mention that?

[–] DontRedditMyLemmy@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Holy shit, is that true? (Source?)

[–] Vaginal_blood_fart@sh.itjust.works 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] jdadam@lemm.ee 4 points 10 months ago

Did a double take when it said Iowa didn't require it. I missed that it was written in 2015.

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

As a student, I was called to the principal's office for remaining seated. I was strongly told I should stand and didn't care that the other students were throwing garbage at me. They wonder why I tried getting my diploma voided.

[–] Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world 29 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Wait. Is this (still) a real thing?

[–] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 34 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

"I pledge allegiance

To the flag

Of the United States of America..."

Yeah, kids still do this in schools across the US.

[–] Bocky@lemmy.today 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

My wife is an elementary school teacher and she lets her students choose whether they want to participate or not each day.

Most kids do it because they are following along with the rest, but some do actually sit out during the pledge

[–] Default_Defect@midwest.social 3 points 10 months ago

I've seen videos of kids just quietly sitting out the pledge and getting shoved out of their chair by other kids for it and the teacher just watches, can't say I blame anyone for just going along with it.

[–] Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Okay but why the Flag? Wouldn't be the Constitution better? (I'm from Europe and actual curios because I thought that was more a stereotype than something people really do)

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

Apparently, it's because nobody buys constitutions. But you can sell them flags.

[–] BetaBlake@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

That would make much more sense, allegiance to a flag is very silly. I've heard many reasons for why that started and all of them are very dumb.

[–] 0ops@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

No no no it's like this: "I pledge al-leg-iance to the flag

Of theuni-ted States Ofamerica"

[–] Steve@startrek.website 22 points 10 months ago

And who the FUCK is “Wichet Stands”??

[–] doctorcrimson@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I was diagnosed with Asperger's when I was younger but I don't show any signs now, but I would refuse to pledge and I especially never liked the "one nation under god" part from a rather young age. I moved around a lot as a kid and sometimes Teachers understood and were kind but other times they were the most hissy belligerent people about it and turn it into a whole ordeal.

I'm extremely happy that society is slowly progressing past that cringe as a whole.

[–] Chobbes@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

HAHA. I did the same thing in Canada with the national anthem for the same reason. Refused to stand for it or sing it. Some teachers would lose their SHIT. Like… grow up. I don’t want to sing the theme song, why care?

[–] Sheeple@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I pledge allegiance to the trans pride flag

[–] Kiwi_Girl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Has the council decided on a proper formal pledge yet?

[–] Stanwich@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Canadian here. I still sing my national anthem and I do pledge allegiance. I see my country men and women as brothers and sisters in this freezing hellscape of a country. I need to. They Jumpstart my truck for me when is -40c

[–] rubicon@lemmy.ca 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

We have a pledge of Allegiance?

I hope we can evolve past borders and see all humans as brothers. I think it's more likely to be a goal domination or catastrophe that could actually bring that around though.

[–] Stanwich@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

I stand on guard for thee.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

4th grade was when I was taught about separation of church and state, and used the "no false idols" commandment from Christianity to get out of doing the pledge of allegiance every morning. Put in that way, no one ever gave me shit for not participating.