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[–] hakase@lemm.ee 114 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

The worst part of this comic is that philosophy bro is clearly not even very good at his field, since there's a much better Cartesian parallel to be made here (and I'm not even a philosopher).

"I think, therefore I am" is actually leaving out (imo) the most important part of Descartes's argument. He was trying to find literally anything that he could know without a doubt was true. The problem is, that's really hard, as our existence-troubled shopper has discovered. Descartes could doubt the existence of God, he could doubt the existence of goodness, of truth. All of these things might not actually exist. Descartes could even doubt his own existence.

In fact, literally the only thing Descartes could conclude without a doubt was true was the fact that he was doubting at all. So, since that's the only thing he could be sure of, that's what he built his argument for rationalism upon.

This perfectly mirrors the existential crisis the so-called philosopher comes upon, but instead of starting the shopper right where Descartes started, he instead just provides what must seem like almost a non sequitur in context, since if the man is currently doubting his existence, he can also doubt that he's thinking. What he cannot doubt, is that he is in fact doubting.

"I doubt. Therefore, I think. I think, therefore I am."

[–] 5redie8@sh.itjust.works 14 points 8 months ago

In a sea of garbage, this is actually one of the most interesting things I've read on here. Thanks mate.

[–] doctorcrimson@lemmy.today 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Yeah I was gonna make a similar argument.

The proof of one's existence is only that they percieve it enough to question it. Unfortunately, all of our sensory data is unreliable proof and therefor we cannot prove there is anything other than our own conciousness. Maybe you're a mad god trapped in an eternal nightmare of your own design, have fun with that concept.

[–] BlanK0@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 months ago

I couldn't have said it better

[–] Peppycito@sh.itjust.works 28 points 8 months ago (1 children)

People made this joke about my art degree (textiles) but I've had a career for 25 years and my mortgage is about to be paid off in April. So, eat a dick 🫳🎤

[–] Rachelhazideas@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'm happy for you, but real question: would you recommend this degree to aspiring students? Would you say you're the exception or do people have the wrong perception about a career in art?

[–] Peppycito@sh.itjust.works 8 points 8 months ago

Absolutely I recommend it. It teaches analytical and critical thinking and gives you space to develop physical skills. It may not lead to a career as a fine artist but it absolutely has transferable skills. I didn't need to go to art school to become an upholsterer/marine fabricator but I draw on my education daily. I'm a far better designer for the experience.

Keep in mind, I'm not talking about an art history degree.

[–] TurboHarbinger@feddit.cl 19 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Dude's insane. Cats don't fucking talk.

[–] Sabre363@sh.itjust.works 12 points 8 months ago

What do you mean? Of course cats talk. They tell me to do all kinds of things, but I try to ignore them, sometimes, maybe . . . .

[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Descartes was not right, most people do not think and yet they exist unfortunately.

[–] gornius@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

Actually the negation of that implication would be: "I think, and I don't exist", and not "I don't think, therefore I don't exist".

[–] IDontHavePantsOn@lemm.ee 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] JayDee@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I won't argue with you till you put some pants on.

[–] IDontHavePantsOn@lemm.ee 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'll consider it when you give me a better option than to call you moron.

[–] JayDee@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago

I won't argue with you; I am unequivocally a moron.

[–] bouh@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

And then we're surprised fascism is rising...

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] bouh@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

The cat is the teacher.

[–] frozencat@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago
[–] exocrinous@lemm.ee 1 points 8 months ago

Reality is fake.