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[–] rivermonster@lemmy.world 128 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Congress has wanted nothing to do with conflicts in an official capacity for the last 50-60 years. They want sound bytes in unofficial interviews for grandstanding and to be able to blame everyone else.

This is actually a result of those decades of congress, regardless of party in control, abdicating their constitutional duty. For a recent example, check out post 9/11 and congress.

[–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 48 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This. A thousand times this.

Both Obama and Biden have been more than willing to sign a repeal or massive overhaul of the AUMF, but both chambers of Congress and members of both parties therein are cowards who would rather cheer or criticize in front of a camera and microphone than perform their Constitutional duties of checking the power of the Commander in Chief.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If they were willing to sign a repeal of it, nothing stopped them from simply not using it. The AUMF didn't make them start wars.

[–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (8 children)
  1. Not a war.
  2. They have a responsibility to carry out such actions in the presence of Congressional inaction and cowardice.
  3. As long as the AUMF exists and is in effect, it is both legally and effectively the role of the President to act under its grant of authority in accordance with its purpose.
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[–] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 7 points 10 months ago

At the same time, we shouldn't be defeatist when it comes to ethics and holding our government branches accountable. If they are arguing in good faith, we should support efforts for more transparency and secure processes.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 92 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Remember the Republican reaction when Obama did the same thing in Libya?

Reeeeeee! 72 hours to get our approval or we'll impeach you! Reeeeeee! Not authorized! Not funded!

Then when our embassy there... in Benghazi... was attacked... it was years of "Reeeee! Why didn't you DO something??!?!?!"

[–] glockenspiel@programming.dev 67 points 10 months ago (2 children)

After they stripped embassy security funding for it, naturally.

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago

Is Ben Gazi the talented buttery male I hear so much about?

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[–] skeezix@lemmy.world 32 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Another terrorist group fucks around and finds out.

[–] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 21 points 10 months ago

War is not something to glorify. It's unfortunate that the situation with Israel/Palestine, Saudis/Iran, and Houthis/US escalated to this point.

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[–] TheControlled@lemmy.world 30 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Some progressives need to put down the flowers and smoke some bad guys now and then. Conservatives need to cram their sabers up their own asses and die.

I'll take soft progressives over the other any day of the week, but demanding Congressional approval is fucking absurd right now. It'll take 8 months and be filled with unrelated laws, financial packages for Ohio and Texas, and pro-oil deregulation.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

Not to mention, having foreseen exactly this problem previous representatives passed the War Powers Act. Biden absolutely has the authority to blow shit up. He can do it without any reason or other authority for 60 days. Then he has 30 days to remove American troops from that area. (Or return force levels to where they were)

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[–] Nobody@lemmy.world 29 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children)

The last war declared by Congress was ~~Korea in the early 1950s~~ in WW2. Dark Brandon doesn't have time for this foolishness. Yemen was warned again and again. They've now entered the find out stage.

edit: brain worms

[–] thisisawayoflife@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago (2 children)

The last war by US Congress was declared in June 1942, against Bulgaria, Hungary and Romania. US Congress has not made a formal declaration of war since then.

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (9 children)

Right but they pass laws granting authorization of military use of force, AUMF. That's the Congressional authority to declare war under the War Powers Clause of the Constitution.

If you read the annotations to that clause you will see that the framers intent, traditional interpretation, and certainly modern interpretation are in agreement that the Constitution does not foreclose executive initiated use of force in what would be considered self defense, and that would certainly include the measured and limited destruction of an enemy's ability to carry out further attacks on US interests, and would certainly cover such defensive measures when done in agreement and in concert with a broad coalition of allies.

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[–] Nobody@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Corrected. Thanks.

[–] hark@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

Yemen has been getting bombed by Saudi Arabia with the full backing of the US for almost a decade now, creating one of the worst humanitarian crises still ongoing. You're right about the brain worms, but it's not because you goofed up the last war declared by congress. Dumb Brandon is not cool for continuing the status quo with the military industrial complex.

[–] 5in1k@lemm.ee 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Ww2, Korea was never declared.

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[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They might have a stronger case if they haven't proven to be a 'do nothing' Congress. They can't even put together a budget.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Congress signed over the rights to just do war crimes whenever you feel like it back under Reagan.

Now the President can do the thing, Congress can call a hearing to complain about it, elections happen, power changes hands, and the only people who suffer are the ones getting bombed.

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago (23 children)

It's not a war crime to return fire if fired upon.

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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago (3 children)

So are they going to repeal the War Powers Act? Are we going back to needing a Declaration of War to deal with every pissant pirate?

[–] ook_the_librarian@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Not the pirates of pissants? Have they try singing to distract them?

[–] TheJims@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

Houthi and the Blowfish

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[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago

No one is saying let the planet go to hell

Yes, yes they are. Maybe not you, but there are billionaires saying exactly that.

[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 18 points 10 months ago (6 children)

Asking Congress is a surefire way to get nothing done.

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[–] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee 16 points 10 months ago (11 children)

Isn't fighting piracy like legal for everyone? Like a private citizen or any country's military could go out there and hunt pirates. I remember that from when the somali pirates got yeeted.

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[–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 10 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Oh yeah the infighting is getting bad. Get ready for an absolute terrible election season for the Democrats.

I'm seeing "leftists" using the same vocabulary as Q-anon style crazy morons. The vitriol is being spat like no matter what their isn't a right answer and it's not made better by the fact that we as a country are still basically pushing for all the worse aspects of ourselves because it's what feels normal.

People are all gonna join in to help burn it down and think they will be the kings of the ashes but largest organized group is gonna be the real victor and it's for sure as hell not the self hating left.

Maybe I will be wrong and the vote against method will work again but if it does we need to make some hard turns to get things actually getting better and get some companionship happening or it will just be a bloodbath between factions that wanted their scoop of the ashes.

[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

It's because these "leftists" are right wing trolls. Full stop. This "Genocide Joe" shit in particular is so fucking transparently a trump-style attack it's laughable. Leftist spaces on the internet are so far up their own reactionary assholes they are now actively protecting far right propagandists and calling it left unity.

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[–] stoly@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It is interesting/sad just how hard Biden is sticking to the old ways of doing things even though most people seem to have moved on from that way of thinking.

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[–] tory@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The legislative branch has been busted for so long that they literally ceded power to go to war to the executive for the good of the nation. Y'all can feel free to undo that at any time once you're not completely broken.

[–] plz1@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Last I heard, the AUMFs were still active. Assuming that was used to justify this legally.

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[–] TheJims@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Are they suggesting to allow US Navy ships to be attacked without retaliation? It’s been going on for like 2 months now. Are they willing to have that on their voting record?

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