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The DM was a DM asking us to change our no tankies policy and remove the fuck tankies banner as it was apparently upsetting hexbear users. Apparently tankies view the word tankie as a form of slur. The admin wants us to ally as a form of "left solidarity"
Now personally I think we have the word takie pretty well defined in our rules and have no intention of changing it. Fuck tankies, they don't belong here.
I didn't write fuck commies, or fuck libtards, (I am a vocal socialist and very far left) or anything like that, the banner is specifically about pro-auth dictator-worshipping tankies.
some people want to post here but are repelled by "fuck tankies?"
good.
that is the intended functionality of the banner.
Generally speaking, people offended by this are either:
libs that dont understand the distinction between tankie and communist or have been misinformed by tankies on what its supposed to mean, but are pro communism(wierd combination?)
the "CCCP did nothing wrong" people
maybe having something leftist in the banner or some place like that could help the former, but I wouldnt remove the message, as it acts as a soft filter for the latter.
Tankies mad they're being called tankies?
Drawing a comparison to the use of "woke" is fucking hilarious. Only one of those terms is actually an insult, and the insinuation that both of those terms are the same says a lot about their perspective.
yeah. fuck tankies. that's the thoughts.
The fact they feel the phrase fuck tankies is acting as a barrier to their participation in 196 should be a wake up call for them to examine their political views.
Unlike their use of the word liberal, which they use to refer to everyone to the right of them on the political spectrum, we are using the word tankie for a single specific group. Tankie means authoritarian communist. Please keep the sign.
Yeah, definitely not. "Tankie" isn't some mostly meaningless word like "woke", it's a very specific belief in authoritarian self-declared, so-called "communist" states (USSR, China, North Korea, et al).
They claim to be for revolution and then turn around and give 100% blind obedience to the newly installed leaders. Pointing out their immense power or bad actions gets you called brainwashed, a reactionary, or counter-revolutionary. They win gold in mental gymnastics in regards to how the new ruling class totally doesn't count as a ruling class, how the state doesn't count as a state, how the money doesn't count as money, and how it's still communism even though not a single one of those prerequisites has ever been met.
They don't take down systems of oppression, they replace them and refuse to believe it isn't the greatest idea anyone's ever had. Here's a hint: if your "revolutionary" party demands absolute loyalty, they probably aren't as great as they say.
Imagine simping for a genocidal Russia with their homophobic and transphobic laws and still wanting to post on 196. Good on you for keeping the banner up. Fuck tankies.
I think if a person feels offended by a generic "fuck tankies" in the banner, then that person is probably a tankie. Fuck tankies.
Fuck. Tankies.
but.. but.. BUT THE NUANCES!! :''(
a world without nuance, is a world without meaning for these guys.. you know that.. c'mon..
terf is a slur 🤝 tankies is a slur
the worst people on the internet
They, and their Lemmygrad bretheren, can fuck right off. When they're not minimising atrocities, they're writing absolute fucking treatsies on communist theory, and in general, acting like insufferable twats.
Fuck tankies 🖕
Yeah no, the last time I saw a discussion with a large percentage of hexbear user's, they were all praising Putin, it wasn't even on 196. So fuck them
I think all instances should block the tankies treat them the same as you would alt right because really there no different they both support facist ideologies
Honestly I agree. Fuck fascists.
Honestly I think we should change our banner.
On the app Jerboa at least it's hard to see that it says fuck tankies, it really should be more clear.
Perhaps having it off to one side, split across both sides, mentioned on both sides, across the bottom 3 times, etc. IDK graphic design is hard.
To be clear, what I asked for, was that the direct contents of a DM not be shared without the other parties permission. You can absolutely summarise the contents of the discussion.
Oh boy, more of Moss starting shit. This is literally bait that doesn't actually communicate anything, along with communicating something you never actually said. Moss, quit with the shitty bait posts and ableist slurs, you are a drama starter in your own community and it isn't appreciated. Malicious compliance towards Ada is a dick move.
lmao fuck tankies
Fuck tankies, and fuck Hexbear and Exploding-Heads.
Tankies deserve to be made fun of
Yeah, nah, yeah, FUCK TANKIES
It's telling they fellt the need to defederate first. They need to controll their narrative, otherwise their views might get challenged and their tankie idiology starts to crumble.
I am for left unity, but tankies always try to strongarm the discussion and don't really argue on good faith. They don't respect any idiology other then theirs.
Probably the best outcome, even if it's a pity losing their more reasonable users.
Fuck tankies.
Keep the banner.
Blahaj ain't hexbear, if they want to auth com it up they can do it on their instance - nothing stopping them from making a tankie 196
Fun fact, there's a tankie version of 196 on Lemmygrad
I know because when browsing all I stumbled onto it
I blocked it when I found it
Fuck tankies
Fuck tankies.
Please utilize the spoiler tag and label these as NSFL
Like this
Tankies
Fuck tankies
I say I have to agree. Leftist infighting is cringe AF. Disagree w/ people all you want, but gatekeeping and name calling is just silly
I think it's reasonable to want to have a space that's free from people that defend authoritarian regimes. From my perspective, at least, 196 has always been a more anarchist-oriented space, and I think it makes sense to try to preserve that.
I'd also make the distinction that they are not banned from this forum, in the same way that libs are not banned from posting on their instance -- but those that post there are generally met with hostility, and that preserves the character of their space. I don't see why we shouldn't do the same.
Not to mention that this sub is unapologetically pro LGBT while practically every authoritarian government (including particularly those that tankies support) has been anti LGBT. eg, China prohibits same sex marriage and adoption, while forcing trans people to get permission from their family to transition (spoiler alert: they ain't progressive).
Democratic socialism with actual equality for all (which goes hand in hand with the root issue socialism is supposed to solve) makes sense and is reasonable. But that's not what tankies support. They're defined by support for authoritarian states that have nothing to do with equality except pretending that they care about it.
Fuck authoritarianism, I don’t care what side of the isle it’s from.
Tolerating putin simps is even more cringe.
Nah g fuck authoritarians. Every time authoritarians take power the first thing they do is murder all the non-authoritarian leftists that fell for the "left unity" meme. And I reckon that making excuses for the genocide of minorities and oppression of LGBT+ folk is a bit of a shit cunt move.
Fuck tankies
I spread the word on any instance having a discussion about it. lemm.ee currently has a post up about federating with Hexbear.
The word is "fuck tankies with a rake." If they do end up federated with Hexbear, I would consider defederating from lemm.ee. But, that's just my personal take. Blahaj isn't my home instance.
I agree with not tolerating tankies.
This seems a little.... dramatic, however. Please take care of yourself - I know how drama can be and if you are anything like me the urge to reply ASAP can cause anxiety and stress and taking time to breathe may be helpful. Especially with tankies and a more general variety of internet folks who can make people feel the need to constantly watch anything you say cus they tend to pick up on some tiny thing and run with it or engage in bad faith :/ nya