It will be stronger than a normal coffee, but it still won't have any caffeine.
There is a distinction between flavor and caffeine content. Decaffeinating does change the flavor but that doesn't mean you can't make it strong.
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Decaf coffee (or tea) will still have more than zero caffeine. Allowable amounts vary between US and EU, but multiple repetitions of the process are needed to achieve either 97% or 99.9% caffeine free respectively.
A single pass through a decaffeination process can result in leaving up to 20% of the original caffeine content.
All the decaf coffee I've tried has less flavor than normal. The soaking process to decaffeinate it presumably also removes some of the flavorful compounds. If I use 3 shots decaf it ends up tasting close to as flavorful as using 2 shots of normal.
As strong as in what? Flavor or caffeine? I doubt three shots of decaf have as much caffeine. If you mean flavor, you know people like just the flavor of coffee right? That's why they're drinking decaf in the first place.
I’m convinced the “ugh, decaf, what’s the point?” people don’t actually like coffee lol.
I used to spout this when I was in my early 20's and had no fucking clue about the acute anxiety and palm-sweatiness of being 30 and over-caffeinated
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Most places serve coffee that tastes like warm milk with a hint of beige, by default.
Adding an extra shot is your best hope of it actually tasting like coffee, regardless of caffeine content.
What fucked me up was not figuring out that this all assumes it's going to be mixed with some "base", like milk or water instead of being drinken as just coffee.
I was thinking I'd lost it because I couldn't understand how having more coffee made it stronger lol.
this all assumes it's going to be mixed with some "base", like milk or water
As opposed to what? Dry crushed/ground coffee beans?
As opposed to drinking your coffee black
Black coffee is still mostly water. Also, if you add water to whatever you call black coffee, it’s still black coffee, because it’s mostly water.
Black coffee is still mostly water.
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I'm sorry but do you not understand what I mean or are you being nitpicky or what is going on here? I've never ever heard anyone adding water into regular (drip, french press) coffee. You either drink you coffee black or you add milk/creamer into it.
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Doey it change the taste of the coffee? If I order a coffee with a shot of espresso it's because I like strong tasting coffee.
This is probably it.
Decaf has about 3% of the caffeine, and espresso tends to be stronger in flavor than a standard drip.
maximum of 0.3% in the EU
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A01999L0004-20131118
It says max. 0.3% caffeine content in the coffee dry matter. Roasted Arabica beans have around 1.5% caffeine (although it may vary significantly), meaning that decaf may have as much caffein as 20% of regular coffee.
It's going to be weaker in caffeine content but still stronger tasting. This is ideal if you are trying to reduce daily caffeine intake or just like the taste of strong coffee.
Some people still need a kick of espresso but don't want/need 3 shots worth in a single drink.
Generally they're seeking a specific level of coffee flavor. My spouse does this and its specifically to balance the flavor ratios of the drink.
If the third shot is regular they're likely just managing caffeine intake while maintaining flavor. My spouse also does this.
I'm not a coffee drinker, but help me understand, What is a shot? caffeine? If so, wouldn't a decaf "with an extra shot" just be one shot? since originally it would have no caffeine, but they want to add one shot.
It’s a shot of espresso which is only about 2oz (60ml). A normal serving would be one or two shots.
I’m guessing people are ordering a latte or cappuccino or something similar which is milk and coffee. The extra shot will make the drink have a stronger coffee taste.
Edit: here’s more than you ever asked to know about espresso drinks lol:
A single shot of espresso is only around 20-25ml. A double shot is the most common amount you’ll get when ordering a drink at a coffee shop, and 60ml is on the high end of that. Here’s even more about this topic specifically: https://youtu.be/F4wrUP4c5P4
Caffeine is a colourless, odourless, flavourless alkaloid that is a component of espresso coffee.
If you could magically remove all caffeine without removing anything else, you wouldn't be able to taste the difference.
Isn't it just a component of coffee, not specifically espresso
Yeah. IDK why I said "espresso".
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A 'shot' is a portion in coffee speak, like a shot of vodka is a standard measurement. A flat white has two shots of espresso as standard, for example. Decaf espresso/coffee would be one or two shots of decaf coffee, still won't have any (well, much) caffeine, just makes the flavour stronger.
I actually thought we were talking about shots of alcohol at first, because I've heard of people putting that in their coffee. Didn't quite make sense why you'd sell every coffee with alcohol, though...
So all of this assumes it's being mixed with milk or water, right? Because otherwise having two or three shots wouldn't alter the taste because it would just be more of the same
Yes, there are many types of coffee produced with milk or water, as well as with ice and other ingredients. Some are produced with steamed milk, others with foam, a mixture of the two, one or two shots, in different amounts, with flavoured syrups, ice, or just with a certain amount of water to bulk it out.
You can have a double espresso (two shots only, nothing else), but even that can be short or long, which means there is less or more water used when creating each shot of espresso. Short espressos are popular in Italy, usually cost a euro, and would be taken standing up and finished in a minute or two (or even instantly); the amount would be about the same as an alcoholic shot.
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You can make espresso with decaf coffee beans.
I wonder if they make their coffee more like an Americano, so you do a shot (or two, or three) or espresso and then add some hot water. This takes the traditional espresso shot, which is more concentrated, and changes it to a more drip/filter style taste.
Follow-up question - each portafilter is two shots right? So if you end up adding an third shot to a coffee, what do you do with the leftover fourth one?
(Or do you have a smaller, single shot portafilter?)
All of the bar espresso machines I've worked with have an extra "handle"(I'm not sure how it's called in english) that's half as deep and has a single spout, so yes there is a single shot one, at least for the ones in italy, i don't know if it's the same for the rest of the world
You mean the basket. The portafilter holds the basket and is inserted into the group head. They can be bottomless (naked) or have spouts.
On to baskets. You can buy single/double/triple shot sizes (typically 7/14/21 grams) but you can also buy 18/20/22/24/25g baskets. You’ll find most serious cafes use 18/20/22g baskets. Barista’s almost always love to chat so don’t be afraid to ask questions. Just be nice and they’ll tell you just about anything you want to know about pulling espresso shots.
I've seen some shops put aside the extra shot if they know another customer has ordered one and they can serve it before it sits around too long. Otherwise, you can dose the portafilter with less coffee for a single.
There are people who order on shot espresso + one shot decaf. Source: personal experience.
Been drinking decaf (instant + filter) for a while, due to causing anxiety and crashing badly after. And it’s only when someone doesn’t have decaf and you drink normal coffee (exact same strength, even if made by self) that one realises how bitter the caffeine itself tastes. (Don’t drink sugar, just milk.)
So perhaps they want that bitter bite, which decaf doesn’t do naturally, which the caffeine being the most bitter part of the drink.
Does it cost the same? Could just be the "no ice" concept... No ice, more actual drink. Maybe they feel like they're getting more of what they're paying for with an extra shot added.
I never really saw no ice as a cost saving thing, just as a “my drink won’t taste like water in 5 minutes” thing.
They usually charge for the extra shot
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