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Australian lawmakers have banned the performance of the Nazi salute in public and outlawed the display or sale of Nazi hate symbols such as the swastika in landmark legislation that went into effect in the country Monday. The new laws also make the act of glorifying OR praising acts of terrorism a criminal offense.

The crime of publicly performing the Nazi salute or displaying the Nazi swastika is punishable by up to 12 months in prison, according to the Reuters news agency.

Mark Dreyfus, Australia's Attorney-General, said in a press release Monday that the laws — the first of their kind in the country — sent "a clear message: there is no place in Australia for acts and symbols that glorify the horrors of the Holocaust and terrorist acts."

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[–] WashedOver@lemmy.ca 158 points 10 months ago (2 children)

"No one in Australia will be allowed to glorify or profit from acts and symbols that celebrate the Nazis and their evil ideology," the press release said.

Glad to see someone mention the Profiting part.

I've always suspected a lot of this was due to grifters stoking these A-holes up to increase sales of the flags, shirts, hats, etc.

The Brandon thing was a big boon to the Maga grifters as it created more new things one needs to collect to show your true level of being a Patriot.

You could then change out your Trump flag curtains for the Brandon stuff. Some are brave enough to change them out for the Nazis stuff when the time is right too. It completes the set when combined with the Southern Surrender flags as your curtains or bath towel.

[–] Fisk400@feddit.nu 30 points 10 months ago

I suspect that is also why their memes are quite slow to cycle trough. A lot of prolific figures need to sell their stock of stupid tat before they can move on to new things.

[–] _dev_null@lemmy.zxcvn.xyz 8 points 10 months ago (2 children)

The Brandon thing was a big boon to the Maga grifters

Here's a good one: I like to by small-time silver bullion, and ebay is actually a decent place for that. The first time I saw gimmick silver coins and bars with Trump's face on them, I was like wtf. And even to this day, there's some seriously wtf stuff out there all geared towards the maga persuasion.

It would be pretty comical, if it weren't so crazy how much he's being idolized. He's being elevated to the level of Reagan worship, even before he's been planted in the ground. I'm calling it now: After Trump croaks, the GOP is gonna try and pass a law to create a permanent federal Trump holiday.

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[–] Chiyo@lemmy.world 64 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese condemned the reports of the chants as "horrific" and "appealing" at the time of the incident.

You mean “appalling”, right? Hope that was a typo.

[–] MelastSB@sh.itjust.works 17 points 10 months ago

There is a typo, he meant "terrific" not "horrific"

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[–] yZmHGnHnaB@sh.itjust.works 58 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Good. We should do the same in the US too.

[–] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 37 points 10 months ago

Should do the same in every nation on earth, nazism cannot be allowed to flourish again. The cost of life is too high

[–] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 29 points 10 months ago (4 children)

And Canada should as well.

[–] Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Technically it is illegal here in Canada.

I work in set Decoration in Canada and dealing with Nazi paraphernalia has a whole documentation process. There's a handful of prop houses in the States that traffics in the stuff and the paperwork to import it has to be very carefully handled or else it gets seized at the border. Once the stuff is owned by the production company it must be kept under lock and key when it is not onset and removing it from the set or the lockup without proper signed off on authorization is a firing offence.

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[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 28 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

It's weird that I have to say this but this should also be done in Latin America.

Like, no, you're not Aryan, you're just pale. And you-- you're not even pale, wtf? You'd be the first one in the gas chambers, Pedro Contreras!

[–] Grass@sh.itjust.works 13 points 10 months ago (2 children)

This reminds me of that black white supremacist skit.

[–] Archer@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

Then Chapelle got rich and decided to go full right wing

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[–] StorminNorman@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

Honestly, it's worse, if you're thinking of the Chappelle's Show skit. At least the character Clayton Bigsby is also blind so he literally doesn't know he's actually white.

[–] oatscoop@midwest.social 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Because they believe in many of the same "traditional values" as nazis -- they're natural allies.

Of course those dipshits don't realize the nazis only want their help now because they're desperate for numbers. As soon as the nazis no longer need their help they're getting their own Night of the Long Knives.

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[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Hate speech is protected in America.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago (6 children)

It very literally is not. If you’re referring to “free speech”, that’s a whole other thing.

Still, it is pretty patchwork and ambiguous. Almost got that flag-burning amendment though! Member that one? Before ‘gay marriage’ and ‘the war on Christmas’ we had ‘flag-burning’ as a very srs point of intellectual ‘discussion’.

[–] IdiosyncraticIdiot@sh.itjust.works 22 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (7 children)

Incorrect, the supreme court has many times over ruled "hate speech", which doesn't have a legal definition in the US, is protected under 1st amendment. Calling for violence is not.

I am free to say "I hate [insert protected class/person/group/etc]" without legal consequences.

Although I am technically free to say "Let's cause harm to/attack [insert protected class/person/group/etc]", legal consequences could follow since call to violence.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

Agreed. Hence the issue with “hate speech” in quotes.

When Is Offensive Speech Unprotected?

Speech which is merely offensive is always protected by the First Amendment. However, some types of speech which are often conflated with “hate speech,” but which go beyond expressions of opinion can, in limited circumstances, be unprotected by the First Amendment.

Let’s talk about incitement to violence and harassment.

(Tl;dr: incitement to violence and harassment are not protected speech)

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[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

The scary thing is, once we ban hate speech, who gets to decide what is hate speech? If it’s the current Supreme Court then hate speech will be discussing medical procedures with your doctor. So…

[–] SomeoneElse@lemmy.ca 9 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Idk, hate speech has been illegal in the UK for a long time. Race, ethnicity, sex, nationality, disability, gender identity, sexual orientation and religion are all protected under hate speech laws. The statues have been continuously updated since 1986 and we’ve still managed to not criminalise asking your doctor for an abortion.

I think I’d rather live with hate speech laws than without them, but if I lived in a country that couldn’t separate church from state, or in a dictatorship, I suspect my opinion would change.

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[–] Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

In Canada restricted hate speech works like this :

It requires three parts.

  1. It is publicly expressed (if it's done in a private setting it isn't chargeable)

  2. It targets a person or group of people with a protected characteristic such as race, religion or sexual orientation (the protected grounds for discrimination are outlined in section 3 of the Human Rights Act)

  3. It uses extreme language to express hatred towards that person or group of people because of their protected characteristic which means it counts when

  • Describing group members as animals, subhuman or genetically inferior

  • Suggesting group members are behind a conspiracy to gain control by plotting to destroy western civilization

  • Denying, minimizing or celebrating past persecution or tragedies that happened to group members

  • Labelling group members as child abusers, pedophiles or criminals who prey on children

  • Blaming group members for problems like crime and disease

  • Calling group members liars, cheats, criminals or any other term meant to provoke a strong reaction


Punishment wise it's about on par with a disorderly conduct charge... So about the same as being drunk and yelling your head off in a public place or running nude through the streets. Police aren't likely to arrest someone for it unless the hate speech is obvious or well documented it and someone actively complains.

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[–] soda3x@lemmy.world 51 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (7 children)

What implications does this have on media using the swastika? I know that for games like Wolfenstein the swastika is everywhere and while it doesn't really retract from the experience by being absent, it would be really strange for that to suddenly not be OK, especially in the context of Wolfenstein where you're tearing the Nazis a new one

[–] ours@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago (4 children)

German and Austrian versions of the new Wolfenstein games have swastikas and such removed/replaced.

I remember being pissed off the version sold on Steam to Switzerland was the censored version for no reason other than Switzerland is often stuffed with German and Austrian markets. When I blast sci-fi Nazis to bits, I prefer they look authentic.

[–] 9715698@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Since the last Wolfenstein game was released, the law has been changed in Germany lifting the total ban on Swastikas in video games.

I don't recall any more recent WWII games where I've seen a swastika though.

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[–] DillyDaily@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago

The actual law bans using the swastika to "glorify or profit from Nazi idiology".

Wolfenstein would not be impacted by the ban because at the core of the gameplay, the Nazis are the bad guys. It does not glorify the Nazis or celebrate them.

Sure Bathesda is profiting from the game, but they aren't profiting from the glorification of Nazi idiology, they're profiting from people's desire to shoot zombie Nazis in the face.

[–] Menu@slrpnk.net 12 points 10 months ago

It should becovered by freedom of art.

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[–] xc2215x@lemmy.world 44 points 10 months ago

Good for Australia.

[–] yamanii@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Surprised they weren't banned.

[–] throwwyacc@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Probably because it hadn't been an issue until recently Strange times indeed

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[–] Poxlox@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago
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