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Missouri Secretary of State Jay Ashcroft said that while he didn’t want to do it, he had to remind people of how “severe” the situation is.

A top Republican official in Missouri is threatening to remove President Joe Biden from appearing on the ballot as retaliation for the determination in two other states that Donald Trump doesn't qualify because he "engaged in insurrection."

"What has happened in Colorado & Maine is disgraceful & undermines our republic," Missouri Secretary of State Jay Ashcroft wrote on the social media site X on Friday. "While I expect the Supreme Court to overturn this, if not, Secretaries of State will step in & ensure the new legal standard for @realDonaldTrump applies equally to @JoeBiden!"

Ashcroft's post came shortly after the Supreme Court agreed to review a decision by Colorado's high court that found Trump could be barred from the state's primary ballot because of his actions leading up to the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol.

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[–] lettruthout@lemmy.world 296 points 10 months ago (6 children)

So yeah, if Biden commits insurgency, then his should be off the ballot. But last time I checked he hasn't come anywhere close.

[–] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 174 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

But, Republicans would have you believe “fair is fair.” Trump got impeached, so Biden should get impeached. Trump got kicked off the ballot, so Biden should get kicked off the ballot. This has nothing to do with pesky things like details and rule of law, it’s just about my side vs your side, unless my side is winning, then I’ll take the law into consideration again.

[–] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 27 points 10 months ago

it’s just about my side vs your side

That's what authoritarians literally believe. It's a tribal mentality. "Might makes right." "The ends justify the means."

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[–] dhork@lemmy.world 51 points 10 months ago

You're forgetting that for these people, "commit insurgency" means "supports things I don't like".

[–] nxdefiant@startrek.website 29 points 10 months ago

The real question is what Thomas's dissenting opinion would be when the SC rules otherwise, and if he gets paid by the word.

[–] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago

Excuse me? Are you just going to ignore his wanton use of the word "malarkey"?

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[–] grue@lemmy.world 179 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I am really tired of Republicans threatening lawlessness in response to application of lawful consequences.

At this point, they deserve to have some lawless consequences applied to them, if that's what they crave so badly.

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[–] mateomaui@reddthat.com 108 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I mean, good luck, you’ll have to provide better justification than revenge to keep it from being overturned.

[–] Lexam@lemmy.ca 56 points 10 months ago (2 children)

They don't care. It's all about the grandstanding.

[–] mateomaui@reddthat.com 27 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I almost want to see them try though, just to get smacked down in court.

[–] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago (1 children)

As though having the rules applied to them won't reenforce their victim complex.

If they lose - even thanks to a GOP judge (a wild concept) it'll be because of the elites... You know - the Jews.

They're somehow both moronic and evil.

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[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 93 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They'll sacrifice their lives for a person who is demonstrably the actual biggest loser in history, and he just gets more loser-y, folks, okay... If any of you are starting to have your memories fade, here's a quick refresher to read this morning and then copy and send to your aunt karen in Missouri.

  • 0 re-elections won
  • 1 term president
  • 2 times impeached
  • 3 marriages
  • 4 inch lifts in his shoes
  • 5 kids, from 3 different mothers
  • 6 bankruptcies
  • 7 US Capitol police suing him for Jan 6 terrorist insurrection and murder of police
  • 8 trillion + dollars added to the US debt in a single term
  • 9 trump lawyers sanctioned by federal judge for lying in frivolous election fraud lawsuits and ordered to pay defendant's legal fees
  • 10 years that trump paid $0 in income taxes between 2000 and 2015. ($0 to cops, teachers, roads, prisons, disaster relief, etc)
  • 11 trump associates charged with serious crimes over the past 5 years
  • 12 million votes (the big lie) - trump claims he won the 2020 election by 12 million votes when in reality, he lost by about 7 million votes.
  • 13 of August, 2021 - one of multiple days that trump was supposed to magically become president again according to Qanon and a crack addicted pillow salesman (the two most respected information sources in the gop)
  • 14 year old girl in a youth choir that trump approached in 1992 to say, "Wow! Just think - in a couple years I'll be dating you."
  • 15 originally confirmed cases of COVID in the US trump said would soon be, “down to close to zero.” followed by, “like a miracle, it will disappear.” - over 1,000,000 Americans have since died of COVID and it continues to kill 4 years later.
  • 16 years old - age of daughter ivanka when she hosted "miss teen" pageant and, according to long time trump associate Noel Casler, "trump called her over in the middle of a rehearsal and had her give him a lap dance while he leered at the crew."
  • 17 known trump and russia investigations from local, state and federal prosecutors
  • 18 gop senators that ignored trump threats / warnings and supported Biden admin's infrastructure bill.
  • 19 as in COVID19 - trump was verified as the single largest source of disinformation on the virus, with a Cornell study claiming that 38% of the "misinformation conversation" originated with trump
  • 20 the day in January, 2021, when Biden was sworn in despite trump inciting a violent insurrection to stop election verification at the US Capitol.
  • 21 gun salute that trump ordered for himself when he left office after a humiliating defeat, even though he never served in the military, famously called military members "losers" and "suckers" and actively avoided the draft with a cowardly "bone spurs" excuse.
  • 22 date in August, 2021, when Alabama hate rally crowd booed trump for finally saying people should get vaccinated, only after 700,000 Americans have died due mostly to his failure as president
  • 23 as in wrestlemania 23 in 2007 where trump, a cartoon level failure with no other prospects, participated in a fake bet that a proxy wrestler would win a fake fight on his behalf or he would shave his wig and hair plugs off.
  • 24 day in August, 2021, when trump actually filed a lawsuit in Florida court against YouTube, a private company, demanding that they reinstate his YouTube channel like a desperate, irrelevant embarrassment with no platforms left to abuse.
  • 25 plus credible sexual assault allegations against trump, spanning decades and with accusers starting as young as 13 years old at time of assault.
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[–] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 93 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (7 children)

Anytime Trump is held slightly accountable, You can count on Republicans to threaten some type of payback.

[–] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 36 points 10 months ago (5 children)

It's basically Animal Farm.

"We believe in democracy for all... but some are more democratic than others"

"We believe in free speech... but some speech is more free than others."

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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 92 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (24 children)

While I expect the Supreme Court to overturn this, if not, Secretaries of State will step in & ensure the new legal standard for @realDonaldTrump applies equally to @JoeBiden!

If it applies equally to both, Biden shouldn't be taken off since he hasn't been found guilty of sedition ya dipshit.

[–] Furedadmins@lemmy.world 38 points 10 months ago

Because he didn't engage in, not found guilty of.

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[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 66 points 10 months ago

Yes if Joe Biden engages in insurrection then he should be excluded from the ballot. I just don't think that's particularly likely.

[–] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 61 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Secretaries of State will step in & ensure the new legal standard for @realDonaldTrump applies equally to @JoeBiden!"

It does. The legal standard does apply equally to everyone. And in fact the same standard has applied for 155 years.

[–] Seasoned_Greetings@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Doublespeak. Republicans actively work to twist the meaning of words to their base to fit their agenda, so that the other side playing by the rules and being fair looks like political cheating. That way Republicans can engage in political cheating themselves and claim self defense.

In today's flavor, "legal standard" means "the ability to make us lose" so they want to apply their own "legal standard" to democrats.

It sounds dumb to anyone paying attention, but their voters will eat this up.

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[–] andrewta@lemmy.world 57 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Waaaahhhh my candidate got kicked off so I'm going to retaliate and try to kick the other guy off. Good luck at the Supreme Court.

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 34 points 10 months ago

With how stacked the Court is for righties, I wouldn't be surprised.

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[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 57 points 10 months ago (3 children)

The reason the government is called a republic is because it follows laws and established proceedures.

Now Team Trump is advocating pure mob rule.

And people think its cool.

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[–] badbytes@lemmy.world 55 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Didn't know children could be Secretary of State. Missouri has low standards.

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[–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 54 points 10 months ago

It's not new. It already applies equally. Biden wasn't part of an insurrection.

[–] jimbo@lemmy.world 51 points 10 months ago

The DOJ should investigate this guy for supporting insurrection, too.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 49 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

Kindergarten recess is more mature than US politics.

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[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 49 points 10 months ago (4 children)

I'm voting Biden. But if the Democrats would suggest maybe someone else from the 150million rational thinking American population who are not Republican, I would vote for that person. Joe has done a good job. I just don't wanna be sitting here in my toilet writing about how terrible the situation is 2 years from now when we loose Joe to stress and need a new president. So obviously not Trump or any other rock-like object or non-human organic matter composition. But any human who loves this country and wants us to do even better would be nice.

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[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 47 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (43 children)

Neat, I didn't know Biden also engaged in insurrection. This guy seems very wise!

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[–] bmsok@lemmy.world 38 points 10 months ago (3 children)

You mean to tell me John Ashcroft's son is a bit of a douche, too?!?

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[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 35 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Just to fantasize a bit, it'd be hilarious if these "Duck season! Wabbit season!" Shenanigans resulted in both Democrats and Republicans mutually excluding each other from a majority of ballots, and third parties had to fill in the gaps.

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[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 34 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Secretaries of State will step in & ensure the new legal standard for @realDonaldTrump applies equally to @JoeBiden!

I swear these people shouldn't even be trusted with anything sharper than a spoon. This is how you fucking conduct work!? You respond to people's Twatter account about legal actions. Jesus tap dancing Christ.

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[–] Neato@ttrpg.network 34 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah so THAT wouldn't hold up to a SCOTUS hearing. Rather if it does we may as well ignore SCTOUS forevermore.

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 36 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Why are the comments here acting like the SCOTUS stands for anything but toeing Republican line? The court is more stacked than it has been for decades and these people will gladly sell-out the Constitution to score political power for Republicans.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 38 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Pretty sure three of them literally got their positions in return for their work on the Bush v. Gore case in 2000 that led to the first GW Bush Presidency.

John Roberts, Brett Kavanaugh, and Amy Coney Barrett all worked for the Bush campaign on that case.

People have been lying to themselves about this one for a long time. Roberts is chief justice, and Bush elevated him there in 2005. It's just become much more egregious and mask-off since then because they're pretty damned sure the public can't actually do anything about it so they've stopped giving a shit about pretending.

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[–] Makeitstop@lemmy.world 34 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Trump can do no wrong. Therefore, any action taken against him must be unjustified. So it can only ever be political, and therefore, it's only fair that we do the same to Biden.

The best part is, they recognize that this is terrible for democracy, that this being normalized would be a disaster, and then say they are going to do it anyway. They are admitting that rather than accept the outcome of the legal process for settling these kinds of situations, and respecting the rule of law, they would rather damage our society to get their victory by any means necessary.

Which is pretty much how we got here in the first place, when Trump couldn't accept an election or dozens of court cases all telling him he lost.

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[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 34 points 10 months ago

Oh look, Republicans being less mature than Kindergartners... again

[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 31 points 10 months ago (1 children)

do it then, just like the impeachment. quit bitching and do something so we can put you down again you fucking cowards.

[–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 31 points 10 months ago (6 children)

That was my favorite when GOP cried for Biden Impeachment and how weak they look when they literally had nothing.

They continue to show how limp dick they are.

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[–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 30 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Just a friendly reminder that it is Republicans who are kicking, or attempting to, kick trump off the ballot. If they want to change The Constitution, there is an amendment process. Until then, The Constitution is very clear on the topic.

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[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 27 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

"While I expect the Supreme Court to overturn this, if not, Secretaries of State will step in & ensure the new legal standard for @realDonaldTrump applies equally to @JoeBiden!"

Sure. If Biden launches his own insurrection I think no one would hold it against you.

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[–] Mango@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago

Sounds like Missouri should be taken off the ballot.

[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)
  • Trump: Does insurrection, disqualified from running
  • Biden: Doesn't commit insurrection or any other crimes that might disqualify him from running.
  • GOP: We'll step in & ensure the new legal standard for Trump applies equally to Biden

Whataboutism politics in action. They're not even defending him, it's just, "Well if you're going to do that we'll just do it back to you!"--

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 25 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Don't you just love it how they all completely ignore and fly over the actual reason why trump is being dumped? They just claim it's a disgrace that trump is dropped, as if random people decided to do this on a whim, but will NEVER mention why they made that decision. Never mention that trump instigated an insurrection, we wouldn't want people to get the wrong idea now, would we?

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[–] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 23 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (25 children)

Fucking hell of course it’s Missouri… those of us in ST Louis are trying to be decent I swear. The fucking rednecks in the middle of the state drag us down so much though

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[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Most of the time I forget Missouri exists, it's nice. Then some asshole has to come along and ruin it.

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[–] ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago

Of course, because Biden is the one who directly violated the 4th Amendment by instigating a failed attempt to overthrow our democracy. So naturally he's the one who should be removed from ballots! /s

Whether they are just deliberately obtuse, utterly engulfed in tribalistic spite, or just so blinded by idiotic conspiracy theories (or some mix of all) doesn't really matter. The people arguing that Biden should be removed on this topic are unfit to be in any position of responsibility or power.

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