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The U.S. will mark the anniversary of the January 6 insurrection on Saturday, a milestone that will confer upon the reality-dwelling citizenry a grim reminder of the potency of propaganda and how quickly it can warp perception when introduced into the public square.

Just three years ago, most of the country watched with dismay and horror as a violent MAGA mob beat back authorities and stormed the country’s citadel of democracy. The Donald Trump-incited crush of disillusioned rioters, fueled by a stream of fantastical lies, believed that the 2020 election had been stolen by sinister forces working to undermine the democratic election.

Of course, not only was their belief flatly incorrect, but evidence later emerged indicating that it was Trump who, in fact, had tried to subvert democracy.

Facts, however, have little bearing on the sentiment inside the Republican Party, which has been fed a steady diet of lies and half-truths by Fox News and the rest of the sprawling right-wing media machine. To wit, the false notion that Joe Biden nefariously stole the 2020 election is now widely shared inside the GOP. A CNN poll conducted over the summer found that nearly 70% of Republicans believe Biden’s win was not legitimate, a number that has continued to tick up.

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[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 198 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children)

IMO, this event was worse for America and the world than 9/11. What goodwill and credibility can America exercise on the world stage when Trump can incite a violent attack on the US Congress, and he is still the front runner?

If he had convinced the Capital Police to get rid of the metal detectors, as he tried to do, America would be under a Trump dictatorship right now.

As if his capitulation to Russia, Saudi Arabia, China, or North Korea shouldn't immediately disqualify him, or the millions of dollars he personally received from foreign governments during his presidency.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 77 points 10 months ago (31 children)

It's a matter of degrees .... American establishment wants fascism, they are just taking their time getting there.

The problem isn't Trump, Trump is an idiot and dime a dozen, once he dies, there will be another idiot just like him that the establishment will court and push into our faces every day.

The problem are the millionaires and billionaires of America that are funding all this crap and keep maintaining it all. If all this relied on Trump's charisma, it would have died out a long time ago ... it's just a huge marketing machine that keeps it afloat.

As long as we keep seeing these headlines, no matter if it's Trump or someone else ... it's just a sign that the wealthy want fascism to keep growing because they know it will mean a win fall for them at the cost of all of us.

Thanks America ... you're doing a bang up job.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 38 points 10 months ago (1 children)

As an American. You are 100% spot on. Had Republicans not enabled and helped trump at every step. He would have gotten nothing accomplished. They were there every hour of every day ready to lick his greasy taint in an effort to please their voters. It could be any idiot. It just happened to be Trump

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[–] Cuttlefish1111@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

With many other countries I could agree. But America is the global reserve currency and basically the world’s police. For the theocrats pushing a takeover it wouldn’t end well. F35s and other highly technical defense system would crumble. Our soft power would evaporate overnight. Many Billionaires would wake up only to find their billions are worth a fraction. Sounds Improbable.

[–] crusa187@lemmy.ml 18 points 10 months ago (2 children)

This is a pretty solid take imho, but I’m not sure the ultra wealthy see it that way. Look at how deluded they show themselves to be when there isn’t a PR handler in the mix to filter their thoughts on platforms like Xitter. Their ego and hubris from living in the alternate reality their great wealth affords them presents tremendous risk in this situation.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I believe this.

I'm a bit older (40+) and when I was in college, it was pretty popular for students from more prestigious colleges to be paying students at my college and other less prestigious colleges to do original research for them. Plagiarism with extra steps and pay. The poor student gets paid, and the rich student gets to put their name on it and get the grade.

I think the elite have been buying their credentials for too long and fully believe their own lies. They love the smell of their own farts, as it were.

They are so many generations removed from real knowledge about international markets and so on that there is real possibility that they will make the whole house of cards collapse in hubris.

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[–] jmp242@sopuli.xyz 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What confuses me is that they seem to miss that historically fascists or authoritarians more generally don't actually pander to the wealthy once they have power, and many wealthy suddenly end up dead or missing. Look at Xi and Putin for instance. Or history.

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[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Nothing personal against Mike Pence, but there's a part of me that thinks it would have been better if he'd gotten in that car and been disappeared.

An assassinated vice president would have forced Biden to crack down on fascism harder.

But without effective leadership, the problem's gotten worse.

[–] GroundedGator@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago (5 children)

If that has happened, I doubt we would have a president Biden or an upcoming election.

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[–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago

when Trump can incite a violent attack on the US Congress, and he is still the front runner?

remember Adolf Hitler tried to start an insurrection, got caught, thrown in jail, wrote a book, and then got elected and started World War 2.

And remember how much Trump loves dictators.

[–] S_204@lemm.ee 17 points 10 months ago

Ya but....9/11 was brown people, 1/6 was white people.

There is absolutely a difference in how Americans view the people involved. That's only been reinforced with this incident.

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[–] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 115 points 10 months ago (9 children)

Three years later, the ring leader and main benefactor is still free and openly lying.

This country is a joke. Literally incapable of defending itself from the inside. The US is beyond pathetic and will go down in history as such. We are so capable yet choose corruption.

[–] Nudding@lemmy.world 51 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

My guy, a country founded on the backs of a native American genocide and then 300 years of slavery, that decrees freedom above all else? You've never not been a joke.

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[–] BeautifulMind@lemmy.world 75 points 10 months ago

Their continued refusal to acknowledge that it was a crime, and the normalization of criminal conspiracy and use of political violence to chill efforts to hold people accountable... all amounts to organized crime masquerading as legitimate politics

[–] USSEthernet@startrek.website 52 points 10 months ago (6 children)

I'm still shocked to this day that police weren't mowing people down as they tried to force their way in. By not doing so, they basically said, "this is fine" IMO.

[–] splicerslicer@lemmy.world 54 points 10 months ago (24 children)

Some of them on camera got caught removing the barriers and ushering them in.

"Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses"

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[–] Facebones@reddthat.com 44 points 10 months ago

If it had been a liberal mob, we'd be marking the anniversary of the January 6 massacre, and it'd be a holiday for Republicans.

[–] TheMightyCanuck@sh.itjust.works 15 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This. When I first heard I imagined they'd set up a few MG nests and show they weren't fucking around. I was quite surprised by how little a reaction, especially from the most gun happy country

[–] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 29 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They were the right colour.

[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 19 points 10 months ago

They also had the right political views.

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[–] Smacks@lemmy.world 48 points 10 months ago (3 children)

My MAGA dad keeps telling me it was an inside job by the Democrats. He's saying everything was filmed way in advance by actors and everything was peaceful because of this mystical "new evidence" coming out; all the cops were a-part of the FBI, CIA, ect.

[–] Uglyhead@lemmy.world 41 points 10 months ago

QanonCasualties. I’m sorry for your loss.

[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago (2 children)

my parents are like this. i have never taken them seriously regarding anything

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[–] Zombiepirate@lemmy.world 46 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Even the Republicans who admit Trump was at fault for the events of 1/6 still say they'll vote for him.

It isn't about right and wrong to them, its about getting a fascist in the White House to reorder society into their prescribed hierarchy. Different factions have their grudges: trans people & other sexual minorities, POCs, foreigners, religious minorities, and leftists.

The hatred is what unites them, but they're too goddamn stupid to see that fascism always eats itself in the end because it constantly needs a new target upon which they can focus their blinding rage.

[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 19 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

It's extremely blatant at this point and they aren't trying to hide it. Support for Republicans is support for American fascism and Christian nationalism at this point. We really need to start acting like it. You wouldn't hire a Nazi. You wouldn't go on a date with one, or allow one in your bar or invite them to thanksgiving. America could defeat Nazis again without lifting a finger, but everyone is too fucking afraid that uncle Marty might get upset to take direct action in their own lives. So we'll end up back to fighting them in the streets one day.

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[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 35 points 10 months ago

Look for Republicans to make a holiday of January 6th. It's only a matter of time.

[–] scripthook@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago (2 children)

No it's just poisoning the people that have no logical thinking and believe anything Trump says.

[–] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago (4 children)

You’d be surprised. I know personally people who traditionally support the GOP but despise Trump who believe a bunch of the bullshit around January 6 because they hear it from their circles. Like how Antifa was involved.

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[–] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The narrative around this event has been downplayed so much that it feels like a non factor for Trump. If it was anyone else in trouble for this there wouldn't be so much debate.

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[–] mhague@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I think people are too literal when trying to understand each other. If someone says they believe in god, it means they identify as someone who believes in god. If someone says they think the election was stolen, it means they identify as someone who thinks the election was stolen. You don't defeat this with direct education / facts, you give these people an out. They need identities that are constructive and based in reality. Friends, family, culture... it all needs to be rewritten. Then they'll "believe" in reality.

[–] Neato@ttrpg.network 31 points 10 months ago (1 children)

So why don't they adopt an identity based in reality like the rest of us?

Is it because they want to hate demographics and the one media that supports that pushes irrational thought because their core components are irrational and it's easier to control them like that? I'm actually asking, because that's my best guess.

[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Unfortunately, yes. Main Street never came back with Wall Street and Hillary never set foot in the rust belt. They're hurt and afraid. I'm compassion fatigued to give a pass on Nazism but this is their explanation.

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