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[–] joneskind@lemmy.world 95 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I would like to add that the money Bob gets to buy food returns directly into the economy, thus helping to pay Kevin the mall manager AND Floyd the country boy

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 30 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Shut up about Bob, how does this even remotely help Shell??!

[–] joneskind@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago

Depends on Bob's car I guess?

I mean, Bob needs food to survive long enough to buy some gasoline. Bob won't buy Shell's gasoline if he dies.

[–] Arseniste@sh.itjust.works 69 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It seems Bob needs better lobbyists

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] elfin8er@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Then I guess bob's not affording lobbyists then.

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Food either, considering.

[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 42 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Ava then we get to party even more money at the pump when they feel like charging more. Despite us subsidizing them.

So let's stop subsidizing oil.

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Lol, oil has made certain no one will go after them. Gas prices are the presidents responsibility, apparently. So even if you tried, once the raving lunatics catch wind that rolling coal will cost an extra 100 bucks they lose their God damn minds and you will lose at the polls.

[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Which is why we need to a) increase electric car and grid potential, to choke them out, and b) increase better public transit with mixed zoning for easy-to-use cities.

While these are definitely big, and by no means easy to accomplish, solutions, they will help us move away from a car centric society that is hamstringed by oil.

Also, maybe some eco terrorists can help, but I'll let them keep me out of the loop.

[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 33 points 2 years ago

But but but fudge rounds, muh taxes are paying for fudge rounds for poor people that's the problem hurr durr.

[–] Szymon@lemmy.ca 19 points 2 years ago (4 children)

If Shell stops getting it from the government, they'll just raise prices for us to make up the difference. They won't be hitting their bottom line anytime soon

[–] Sasha@lemmy.blahaj.zone 44 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If they've been subsidised so much, the company should just be made a public entity rather than just stopping the funding.

[–] qaz@lemmy.world 29 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The government should demand new shares in return for the subsidies. No subsidization without representation.

[–] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 14 points 2 years ago

Yep and if they want to continue to receive subsidies, they're going to have to continue to sell shares, eventually leading to either no more subsidies or complete governmental control of the entire industry. Preferably the latter.

[–] UPGRAYEDD@lemmy.world 42 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is true, but it would help incentivise the country to move away from fossil fuels.

Also worth noting this would drive up the prices of nearly all goods as well since shipping costs would rise.

There are good incentives for fuel subsidizes, but the goverment has failed at having stipulations to gonwith the subsidizes.

Personally, i think they should nationalize the fuel production industry. No one should get rich from a natural resource, especially one that is destorying the planet. Even more so since they have known about it for 70+ years and have been trying to cover it up.

[–] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 11 points 2 years ago

Personally, i think they should nationalize the fuel production industry. No one should get rich from a natural resource, especially one that is destorying the planet. Even more so since they have known about it for 70+ years and have been trying to cover it up.

Absolutely! Every industry related to fossil fuels, be it fuel for vehicles, power production or even plastic manufacture and steel smelting, should be nationalized and then phased out as quickly as possible in favor of cleaner and otherwise less hazardous alternatives.

Natural resources, infrastructure and vital base components used in roughly everything should not be owned and controlled by under-regulated for profit entities who will never value long-term or even short term human survival higher than short term profits.

I thought Americans were all about free market. Other companies and alternatives will come in and undercut shell if that happens.

[–] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 31 points 2 years ago

They'll raise prices regardless. The government handouts are just extra profits for what is already one of the most profitable industries in the history of mankind.

[–] unrelatedkeg@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

But shell makes jobs for a million Bobs! And then Bobs are doing something useful for society! /s

[–] porcariasagrada@slrpnk.net 14 points 2 years ago

bob still needs those 1500 in food stamps while working 15h week... the system works, for a few...

[–] Ashelyn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It also bears noting that Shell is not a person

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

In Freedumbland Shell absolutely would be a person.

:(

[–] Ashelyn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 2 years ago

Legally speaking, leider ja. But we don't have to accept that framing just because it says so on the piece of American ~~toilet paper~~ legal parchment that is Citizens United