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[–] filister@lemmy.world 42 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Can't you also name this brand. The majority of the people here know it anyway.

Funnily enough the TSLA stock is 800 billion and the BYD stock is 75 billion.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 78 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (24 children)

Funnily enough the TSLA stock is 800 billion and the BYD stock is 75 billion.

That's because Tesla is extremely overvalued, because Musk is a con man, who promises Tesla will lead AI for fully autonomous driving, and basically promises that when that happens, it's nearly infinite money. In reality they are currently #4 at best in AI for self driving.

I'm guessing BYD is valued more by criteria similar to VW and Toyota.

PS: Yes I know half of infinite is still infinite. But I hope you all understand what I mean. 😋

[–] iterable@sh.itjust.works 26 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Tesla stock is a pyramid scheme.

[–] DreadPotato@sopuli.xyz 1 points 8 months ago (2 children)

~~Tesla~~ stock is a pyramid scheme.

[–] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

~~Tesla stock~~ capitalism is a pyramid scam.

Though when you look at income distribution it looks more like the Burj Khalifa in a desert.

[–] iterable@sh.itjust.works 1 points 8 months ago

Many yes, but basically those who don't pay yearly dividends. Which is a ton of them.

[–] nix@merv.news 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Which are the 3 better self driving ai?

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

Mercedes, Waymo and GM are all ahead for sure, despite having a setback recently in their testing. But there are others that are likely ahead too, like BYD, Nissan, Nvidia and MobilEye.
My guess is that Tesla probably ranks 6th currently, but they for sure is no higher than 4th.

PS I don't know why you got negative feedback? It's a fair question.

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[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Can’t you also name this brand. The majority of the people here know it anyway.

It's literally the original headline from the article, which is considered good posting ethics. Why would you want posters to editorialize headlines?

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

How would that majority here know it? I assume most here aren't Chinese, and these cars are pretty new to most markets outside of China.

I personally had never heard of them, so thanks for mentioning the ticker so I could look it up.

[–] silvercove@lemdro.id 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I see a lot of BYDs in the street here in Istanbul. They are everywhere.

Huh, looking it up it looks like they're in a number of countries. So they're not quite big enough to make my local news, but big enough to be distributed throughout a number of countries.

[–] PizzasDontWearCapes@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

What are each of their earnings and prospective earnings?

Market cap isn't 1:1 with units sold

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Teslas sept 2023 q3 operating margin was 11.18% and peaked at 16 before all the cuts. This is while ramping 2 factories.

BYDs latest seems to be 5.33% and peaked around 9.5 in 2018 and has been under 8 since. I don't know what BYDs factory ramping situation is.

Ford for the past couple years has hovered a little above and below 4. Was worse further back.

[–] Adanisi@lemmy.zip 18 points 8 months ago

Honestly? Good.

Maybe this will actually push EVs to be the most common vehicle type.

[–] AlternateRoute@lemmy.ca 14 points 8 months ago (1 children)

https://www.thestreet.com/electric-vehicles/elon-musk-calls-out-teslas-biggest-electric-vehicle-competition-

Ya a lot can happen in 10 years.

In the 10 years since, Musk has changed his tune from one of derision to one of respect, saying in May: "That was many years ago. Their cars are highly competitive these days."

[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

This is something to keep in mind because he has kept the same car designs for a decade. BYD has continually updated their hardware and designs. Musk isn't leading Tesla; he's at the helm while it coasts along, losing the momentum needed to move into the future.

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[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Pay wall, but AFAIK they aren't past Tesla yet, all these comparisons include PHEV.

That said, it's believed they may pass Tesla in 2024 for pure EVs

[–] nix@merv.news 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

Plug in hybrids electric vehicle.

Gas engine + battery

[–] JeanFarouche@mastodonapp.uk 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

@boem
I'm trying really hard to care about that.
But I think I'll just just say: 中华人民共和国万岁 !

[–] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (3 children)
[–] silvercove@lemdro.id 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] Kbobabob@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago

Lol, that's plenty to not like about China besides color of skin.

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