Tell me that pushing this sort of 1984 inspired stuff wasn't one of the reasons for Brexit.
this post was submitted on 29 Jul 2023
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Yeah sadly. Used to be a bit of a joke, but in 2023.. Noone is laughing.
They said tell them "it wasn't"!
Can't you guys tell your MPs to get that shit out of here?
Oh believe me we will, but we have to wait for them to call an election (likely autumn 2024). They're roundly despised and they know it. They're just milking as much as they can before they're flung out of Parliament.
They're a disgrace.
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There are so many trends with technology that seem to favor another 1930's Europe situation. The 1940 film "The Great Dictator" describes it pretty well, and it is sad how much love and compassion seem to be out of favor as people march more and more towards mechanized hate-driven systems of society. I really hope a pro-humanism civil rights movement takes hold, like Martin Luther King Jr's kind of teaching, but it seems to not happen that a popular person like that comes to the top. Even a Carl Sagan type person with mass popularity to much of what Sagan shared in his books and speeches would be a good direction.
Worldwide? No they aren't. This is clickbait.
Sure, the title sounds like clickbait, but the point is: if a big enough player passes these laws, then the other countries may follow.
yeah, it doesn't destroy anything on the worldwide scale.
but it weakens.
erosion is a rather perfect term for it
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If they force messengers to implement backdoors into the protocol, I doubt they will limit it to UK users. Also, conversations with UK users won't be private anymore even if the other party is from another country.
Client-side scanning might not be enforced for other accounts but when the infrastructure is there other governments will want to use it, too.
That definitely won't happen. Full E2EE apps like Signal, iMessage, and WhatsApp aren't going to risk the worldwide backlash that would come with implementing backdoor access. The UK market isn't that big and definitely not worth it, they'd pull out of the UK entirely first.
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I wonder if it will be analogous to the situation in China. Is an iMessage conversation safe if one party is based in China and their data is stored in data centers there?
Welp I don't live in the UK so there is not much I can do. I would encourage any UK citizen to protest this immediately. If it still passes openly break the law to make the UK government into a laughing stock
Apple has said they’ll pull out of UK if required. I won’t use any software that abides.
Apple are operating in China by caving in to the government. I don't think they'll be more radical with the UK.
I ~~might~~ be cynical af but I believe China is a market they can't ignore, but the UK, well...they can afford to send a message there. With some quick google-fu it looks like Apple sells more iPhones about every 8 days than it sells in the UK in a year. That's comparing 2023 numbers for China to 2019 numbers in the UK for the record, I'm too lazy to look past the first few links really, and doubt that math would change enough to ruin the point.
They also wouldn't pull out of the UK, they would likely just revert to SMS there in the messages app rather than give the UK a back door into their encryption.
Of course they could ignore China, they just choose not to because they want more money.
Yes and no, fiduciary duty to shareholders plus they rely on China for manufacturing.
I get the importance, but the global implications are being slightly overstated. It may be the thin end of the wedge in terms that it may lead other governments to follow suit. But all that will happen in the short term is that many IM clients will withdraw from the UK. Apple will probably just disable iMessage in the UK.
Is there anything we can do about it?
Refuse to use any software that bows to this bullshit.
Keep using software that doesn't bow. Let them struggle to enforce any encryption ban. Safety in numbers.
Aye. The logical conclusion to this if left unchecked is restriction all the way down to the OS level. Don't let them take this first step. If they do, the others will follow.
Or even worse, locked bootloaders and a crack down on jailbreaking.
I think Mental Outlaw did a video on this. He said we should use foss forks of projects or something.
Oh wow, the great UK really seems to love to show the world how advanced they are. Decrypt this then 🙄
Password is only 8 characters.
-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----
jA0ECQMIg4RgH82c4/j+0sC6ASlYlE5UsjX2pJ7EL+c/XvjBdn2sfeaWyVZQenMW h+eMDp4vCSbhvVHpzVjwo0mJVKyLnINzjelRVQH0mPBuvs8wsGPitJ04xkixBrEI j/BDvunCqQHKh2rDSbqubuA64+74Zg2FqGsAgnTrxfK/78AFPfL1jM4GODxLt5IT duxVd06lE/zqJmhBL0uInovdKRsOjDoueHJBeXOSFpfYCoUcQsNkcOCZ7XiaaQus CUKVs1nCHWQZtjlRTxUzBRjkNFFVumXY+XI2S35ER8FveB6LdL0bqWCsJxSVUCMb +G3v5ckD/dvxVCrjxfeA4Xlvvk5ivZwsmkaWLz0KUl8tooxD3LBmbU3OTZ27sRxW SgTwGewFgxDTAlcbKaW46WI/Stbs3knYc2rQbMpu/DHqjz2GsYBENXOZEMYCnNtB tgRj6I5IqPieP2ZHUBXu8/ijL6Kl6UxKRtit7m0kttCfFWY8a1yhRfXGn57ZByxi Tj8jFHypznwgpSTE =cl6h -----END PGP MESSAGE-----
Oi M8 do you have a loicense for that Encryption? No? Well then, pay the foine or be branded a terrurist within the Five Eyes. /s
how can you even prove that it’s something encrypted and not random text?
I’m not sure how you can “ban encryption” lol
The law laws will be written so that they don't need to prove it. The suspicion will be enough, and innocent people will be punished for transmitting or storing unintelligible data.
This is a random string of emojis btw, there's nothing to see here.
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Actually I just made up my own written language that happens to consist of 64 case-sensitive characters in one string. This is how I communicate
Give us the password, or it's two years in the clink for you me old matey.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_of_Investigatory_Powers_Act_2000
Five years if you look like a nonce or a Muslim.
Just two years ago the politicians fearmongered that quantum computers will break every encryption without delay. This bill speaks quite different story.
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This is why I'm worried about Signal. Signal is designed as a central service, which means its easy to block/kill. If similar laws are brought to the country Signal operates from then it could be shutdown. Centralized applications are easy to monetize and easy to kill.
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@igalmarino @privacy it won't erode encryption worldwide - any more than China did. They'll just pull out of the UK
In a selfish way... I'd like for the UK to do this and for it to go horribly horribly wrong for them. Maybe that would finally get the US reps to get their heads out of their butts so l don't have to keep signing petitions and writing essays about why weakening encryption is a horrible idea.
@Dark_Arc this is generally referred to as accelerationism and I think it's a cromulent ideology.
If you think the only way to get to a sane world is to achieve and pass through the insane one first, then doing it as quickly as possible makes sense.
Or we could all just vote for people that aren’t corrupt… or at least, yet!
If you don’t know who isn’t corrupt, vote for independents that understand technology. I know it’ll never happen so things will continue to go downhill but gees, what do governments have to do to get people to wake up? 🤬
Hell, i’ll be happy if people just stopped believing ‘for the sack of the children’ crap and realise its all about controlling the population! 🙄🤦♂️
we could all just vote for people that aren’t corrupt
Audiences who flock to liars and deceivers seems to be trending in bad direction. Business leaders, politicians. What Cambridge Analytica unleashed as mass psychology tactics in 2014 may be very difficult to undo.
corrupt… or at least, yet!
Things like term limits seemed to help stop some of the problems of people corrupting once they got into positions of power. But now it seems crowds of more and more people are choosing pre-corrupted, cheering on corruption.
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UK hermit kingdom speedrun, especially with the rumors of Scotland getting independence.
When it isn't the USA it's their daddy Britain, ffs.
Privilege breeds idiocy
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