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Some communities there are literally calling for the annihilation of Ukraine
https://programming.dev/comment/1999097
edit: Since people are either willfully or otherwose are missing my point, this is a pro-russia, pro-fascist hate group, therefore we shouldn't give them the platform to spread their shit. this is not about me seeing their community or then causing issues accross other communities, it's about de-platforming fascists.
Currently the stance for this instance is defederation as a last resort so everyone can participate in the coding chats. If a community on a connected instance breaks our rules the community will be removed from the instance and things such as politics communities will be hidden from the all feed once we can get that coded in since lemmy itself isnt capable of doing it very well yet (its a feature but only through the backend and painful to do in bulk)
A bunch of hexbear communities fall into the hidden in the all feed category so wont show up to people unless they explicitly look for it by searching and subscribing. Should be pushed out once I can dedicate time to coding it in and ill announce in this community when it has
I said it on the exploding-heads thread and I’ll say it here too: my “all” feed would be a much nicer place without hexbear showing up in it.
Exploding-heads is just the right wing version of hexbear, literally a different flavor of the same cancer.
So we're gonna keep defederating instances every time a user of an instance acts crazy? Until every instance deferates from each other? This is getting absurd... and feels more and more like... high school.
It's not a single user. The instance is a safe haven for tankies. This thread is 90% them supporting the CCP. Quite a bit of it is pretty trolly, too. I'm sure you'll find a large number of their users support Russia over Ukraine.
The whole instance is known for brigading enmasse to shut down real discussion. They got defederated from lemmy.ca for doing this.
Your screenshot is of a lemmygrad users comment with only three upvotes (hexbear doesn’t have downvotes) in the hexbear “chapotraphouse” comm.
And you’re saying that it shows programming.dev should defederate with the whole instance?
They've been stirring shit across lemmydom.
But, they haven't hit everywhere, nor have they hit everywhere equally.
This means that instances where the defederation policy is reactive will not, and should not defederate until and unless users from there cause problems.
Have you checked the federation/defederation policy for your instance? If not, you should. If it is a reactive policy, then it comes down to you deciding to stay and use the block feature to curate your feed, stay and attempt to change that policy (good luck), find other instances to use, or use apps with instance filtering features.
It is my personal policy to not have a single account. I decentralize as a user. I recommend this to anyone and everyone in the fediverse. This makes it much easier to shift around as needed to avoid problematic things like this. If I don't like the federation policy of a given instance leading to a bad actor instance causing trouble, I just don't use that instance for a while, and eventually the disruptive place will get defederated for cause. Easy peasy.
I strongly suggest using an app with instance blocking. Connect, sync, and summit all have it (though I'm not certain how bulletproof each is). This means that no matter where you go, the users from the problem instances are filtered out. This only becomes a problem if you moderate C/s with decent traffic. If that's the case, it is usually wise to set up a different app without filters to do mod work from (currently there's only sync and summit that have mod tools that I'm aware of).
I'm less up to date on browser or PWA filtration options.
But, be aware, defederation is meant to be the last choice in most instances. Defederating without a good reason defeats the purpose of federation. Many admins believe in that principle, so this kind of post may not amount to anything at all.
I agree that hexbear is a problem. Because I'm decentralized as a user, I have seen the users from there stirring shit everywhere they target. And that is why they need attention as regards defederation, not having stupid opinions. We, as a general group of fediverse denizens, really need to be careful with calls for defederation solely on the basis of stupidity.
I feel like calling it "stupid opinions" is a bit of a downplay on what they are, which is in essence a far-right, pro russia (and hence pro fascism) echo chamber masquerading as leftists.
I also don't get your comment you are basically saying I can't do anything about it, bar maybe creating this post which is exactly what I did, if this instance remains federated with hexbear I will just delete this account and make another one on an instance that's less tolerant of these things
To be fair I think hexbear is actually far left instead of far right but your other points still stand . They look remarkably similar
Op thinks it's impossible for anyone to be more left than themselves.
OP is a Lib
I see hexbear is leaking.
I assume by "lib" you mean neo-liberal US democrat types, which I am not, but I am sure you will guess my political views any day now.
Edit: nvm checked your comments, definitely one of those types.
It was honestly a just a joke, and I'm not on Hexbear. Really wasn't that serious.
Feel free to take that one innocuous comment and use it as an example for further fragmentation of the platform though.
ah yes, try take the high road...
you can't be far left and a Putin fan like they are, those diametrically opposing viewpoints.
The political left is by definition a group of people who believe in a more egalitarian society as opposed to the political right that believe that a hierarchical structure is natural.
and Oligarchy like russia is a very right political system.
I'm onboard with not defederating but holy shit these people are shitting themselves all over the place on worldnews@lemmy.world. They're way worse than the typical lemmygrad.ml fare.
User in OP's screenshot is from Lemmygrad
I'm talking about my direct experiences with these people.
Ohh sorry, my bad
This is likely the only thread on programming.dev that will attract them. They don't have much cause for class war here.
Subclasses rise up! No longer will we tolerate the tyranny of the superclass!
We shall inherit EVERYTHING!
As much as I think they're at best deluded hippy kids who unashamedly gobble down Kremlin propaganda like it's crack, as long as they're not being a nuisance to communities hosted on your server, is there a real reason to defed?
If they start answering "How do I control an ESCPOS receipt printer through Javascript?" with "Nuke Kyiv", then maybe do so.
Although I do think Lemmy should have the ability to personally block a whole server as well as just users and communities.
I do think Lemmy should have the ability to personally block a whole server as well as just users and communities.
I long for the day.
Honestly I think the main reason we haven't seen this is because the core devs are also the admins of lemmygrad, and they can predict how most users would use that feature lol
That said, I totally agree, it's a win both for user agency, and avoiding needless defederation at the instance level
Although I do think Lemmy should have the ability to personally block a whole server as well as just users and communities.
And keywords in posts and comments.
I would love to be able to browse on a computer or switch app but I'd lose all my filters.
Precisely. It should be up to the community host to dictate defederation policy.
Just to be fair, that user isn't even a hexbear member.
well if you read the comments, they are all saying it, this user is the only one spelling it out literally.
ı wish users can block instances on their side.
Some apps let you do that (Liftoff, others).
Yup. I switched over to Sync mostly for their filtering features. You can filter keywords, domains, instances, users, and communities.
It's full of very good programmers who could contribute even if you don't agree with their politics?
are you doing a "There are good people on both sides" thing?
Uh, good programmers are not necessarily good people? Think we all ought to be able to agree on that... But if you really think hexbear users are comparable to far right extremists then your politics are detestable and my credence in you also being a bad person goes way up, although you might still be worth intereacting with wrt programming topics idk
Because there are a lot of tankie apologists elsewhere. That or those free speech absolutists type that think deplatforming fascists and bigots is censorship and cancel culture or some such nonsense like that.
kbin allows you to filter instances