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What do you like about socialism? (lemmy.world)

submitted 11 months ago by RainfallSonata@lemmy.world to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world

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[–] WeLoveCastingSpellz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 11 months ago

justice

[–] Zima@kbin.social 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I think of it as a mental disease societies can catch. I do acknowledge that is full of good intentions. it just doesn't work and ends in missery. it just fails to account for basic facts like human nature.

[–] RainfallSonata@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago

Not that it's necessarily what you're implying, but it's ridiculous to me that people think capitalism is an inevitable result of human nature but socialism isn't. Either of them are just ideas we made up. The benefits and flaws of each are the result of human nature, just with different influences and in different ways. Socialism may fail to account for the parts of human nature that you find relevant. Because you've been brought up in a capitalist system to believe that, OR you're directly benefiting from its exploitation. That doesn't mean those are the only relevant parts of human nature.

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[–] dylanTheDeveloper@lemmy.world -2 points 11 months ago

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[–] bradorsomething@ttrpg.network -5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I love the idea of socialism. It unfortunately dies at the hand of human nature, but it’s great for ants and bees.

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[+] Jackthelad@lemmy.world -21 points 11 months ago (11 children)

Pros: It's nice in theory.

Cons: It will never work in practice because human nature is a thing.

[+] aelwero@lemmy.world -13 points 11 months ago

It's absolutely disturbing how avidly people seem to want to ignore that inconvenient truth...

"The people will own the means of production". Except it's never once worked out that way.

"Everyone will be happy to go to work, because it's for the good of all". Except it's never once worked out that way.

"Nobody will ever have to worry about basic needs". Except it's never once worked out that way.

Socialism has historically consolidated both power and wealth just as reliably as capitalism has, and frankly, I don't buy that the impetus behind the growing advocacy for socialism even is actually equality... I think it's a desire to have more shit, with less effort required to get it (and that sounds sketchy, and I think people are generally averse to stating it openly due to this)

I personally think the most likely means to achieve that is ironically the capitalist system we currently have, with a huge boost to the economy in the form of universal basic income.

Give literally everyone $50k/yr. Period. Even musk, the zuck, bezos... Everyone... The people who don't want to do jack can sit around and enjoy the product of labor that will inevitably be increasingly provided by automation, out of necessity. The dream of the 1960's, of having robots do everything for us while we sit around at the park, will come to fruition finally, because while we've had the ability to do it, we've not had any means of paying our bills while sitting around. UBI would provide that, and "the capitalists" will have the incentive to automate because there will be less labor available.

Of course, we're talking about a massive spike in income tax here... But we're also making the labor far more valuable, by way of rarity. Harder to find workers, so you pay them more, and even with the increased taxation, even a modest salary reflects economic advantage over a nonworker. The guy that used to make $50k/yr is only making $25k/yr if we slap a 50% tax on him, but he's still putting $75k/yr in the bank, aint he?

I think "socialism" is the wrong direction. 180° exactly in the wrong direction. Unless by "socialism" people are actually advocating the "advanced welfare" Nordic approach...

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