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Fixing car and e-bike batteries saves money and resources, but challenges are holding back the industry

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[–] AnneBonny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 205 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Jacking Up a Car Is Dangerous. Here's Why Mechanics Are Doing So Anyway

[–] gibmiser@lemmy.world 60 points 9 months ago (2 children)
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[–] remotelove@lemmy.ca 16 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I suppose jacking off a car is also dangerous.

[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 8 months ago

Depends. Are you a dragon?

[–] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Wasnt there subreddits for that?

[–] AnneBonny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Not that I know of.

There is dragonsfuckingcars.

[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

You wouldn't download a car... And if you did, you wouldn't jack off a car...

[–] circuscritic@lemmy.ca 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (5 children)

Eh. That's not really comparable to lithium-ion batteries. Lithium-ion batteries are similar to bombs in that they're highly dense stores of energy. If something goes wrong and that energy storage medium gets exposed to air, or there's a failure in a charging safety mechanism, that's a chemical fire at best, explosion at worse, but no matter what, it's extremely toxic.

[–] AntY@lemmy.world 20 points 8 months ago

Acetylene and oxygen is also explosive, but you’re still allowed to have it and use it. Battery acid is extremely corrosive and poisonous. Gasoline is extremely flammable. A garage is filled with dangers. If you can’t service a lithium-ion battery in a safe way, you shouldn’t do it, just like you shouldn’t service your brakes if you don’t know what you’re doing.

[–] NAK@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

Lol. A single gallon of gasoline contains approximately 34khw of energy. An EV with ~300 miles of range, will have a battery with between 80 and 100 khw. Or the same potential energy as about 3 gallons of gas.

People are familiar with gas, so it seems safe. But every gas tank is a literal bomb, and that's just for a car. I have no idea how big the storage tanks at gas stations are, but I'm assuming there's enough explosive in there to level a couple hundred square feet if one of those goes.

[–] AnneBonny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 8 months ago

Lead-acid batteries also present a risk of explosion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead%E2%80%93acid_battery#Risk_of_explosion

That's why you attach jumper cables to the dead battery first.

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[–] Lophostemon@aussie.zone 131 points 9 months ago (5 children)

The whole repair thing should made super easy if we want EVs to succeed.

  1. Make all batteries use an easily swappable set of standard cell sizes.
  2. Make battery controllers standardised and swappable.
  3. …. Er… that’s it.
[–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 61 points 9 months ago (4 children)

But that will never happen because the EV manufacturers couldn't charge ridiculous amounts of money for proprietary batteries.

[–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 24 points 8 months ago (4 children)

That why we need regulators. The market doesn't magically deal with "Tragedy of the Commons".

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[–] Lophostemon@aussie.zone 9 points 9 months ago

God forbid that they concentrate on the quality of the basic vehicle instead.

[–] buzz86us@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

Yup.. If you can't compete add tariffs.

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[–] LazaroFilm@lemmy.world 43 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Make all cars rechargeable with a single charging port. And that port should be USB-C

[–] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 40 points 9 months ago (7 children)

like 50 USB-C cables tied together to output enough of a charge lol

[–] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 3 points 8 months ago

The highest available now is 240 W, so with 50 in parallel you get 12 kW. Fast chargers go up to like 300 kW but at home 12 is good enough actually.

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[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Can't wait for all power cables to just be USB-C. I dream for the day where I can charge my phone with the same plug my induction stove uses.

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[–] buzz86us@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I've said it before, and I'll say it again allow.. cars with CATL or Nio battery swap cassettes into the US.. It is so dumb that there are different battery setups for every manufacturer .. In a Nio I can swap batteries for less than a pack of beer.. Why not do that instead of this current BS system where you have only one pack and once that is done it is $10k

[–] PsychedSy@sh.itjust.works 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Looks like for some Ioniq 5's it's 60k - more than a new car.

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[–] dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I heard NIO has this technology already and are looking to standardise it.

[–] cogman@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago (6 children)

Every EV has this already. What they don't have is a standard. Not shockingly, every EV manufacturer will argue why theirs should be the standard.

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Honestly if the department of defense adopts any EVs for troop transport it should come with a forced standardization. Just hand wave it as being for national security and the fact a lot of countries will probably adopt the standard, that should do the trick.

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[–] SmashingSquid@notyour.rodeo 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

This was posted to one of the communities I sub to a day ago: https://spectrum.ieee.org/flow-battery-2666672335

This would probably be the best option if it takes off.

[–] StinkyDave@lemmy.world 49 points 9 months ago

Is it money?

[–] GentlemanLoser@ttrpg.network 48 points 9 months ago

Is it money? I bet it's money

[–] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 42 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

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[–] FrostyTrichs@lemmy.world 42 points 9 months ago (1 children)

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Interesting.

First of all apparently ublock, no script, or some combination of my add-ons kept me from seeing the message and I'm able to view the entire article.

Even more interesting is this text at the end of the article-

This story was originally published by Grist, a nonprofit media organization covering climate, justice, and solutions.

So this source basically spun an article from Grist and put it behind their paywall.

Following the link from Scientific American, the first line of the Grist article is-

This story was co-published with WIRED.

It's clowns the whole way down, yaaaaar.

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[–] sndmn@lemmy.ca 20 points 9 months ago

Because that's literally a mechanic's job.

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Danger, Danger, High Voltage!

Although it annoys me that mechanics consider even 400V "high" voltage. HV is supposed to be 1,000V, minimum.

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