I wish democrats were as left as Republicans think they are. Just for a day, please
this post was submitted on 23 Dec 2023
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Hell, I wish democrats were even anywhere near as left as most Dem voters seem to think!
Heh. Corporate democrats are the new conservatives. They happily filled that role when Republicans turned Regressive.
Yeah, every time the GOP moves right, the Dems chase after them. That's why they're now to the right of Reagan, some of them significantly so.
They're desperately trying to cling to the tiny slice of the population between the most right wing Democrats and the least right wing Republicans while ignoring the dozens of millions of Americans to the left of the DNC.
Except at election time where they demand "unity" (read: obedience) of the left in spite of offering nothing in return except (usually) not being quite as awful as the alternative 🤦
Part of me wonders, which party is going to fracture first.
Right now it looks like democrats, since the RNC has become the Cult of Trump
Depends whether you count the ejection of people like Liz Cheney as "fracturing," I suppose.
I guess maybe it won't really be a "fracture" until those people form their own new party instead of continuing to (delusionally) self-identify as Republicans.
Don't you know that if you don't support the Dems unquestioningly then you're just a closet Trumper, like those Muslim Americans unhappy with Biden's support of glorious Israel?
So I've been told a few thousand times, yeah.. 😮💨
Imagine if the democratic party was as sneaky, underhanded, dubious, and shit to carry out their evil agendas of allowing people to live a quiet life of acceptance and without major medical complications bankrupting them while they enjoy a little more time off with better pay.
Maybe if they were, then one of those plans might actually happen instead of the almost nothing we've been getting. They're too afraid of angering people who WIL NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER vote Democrat anyway.
Hitler said in Mein Kampf, that the weaponized dishonor of Nazism forced his opponents to "act like we do" as their only recourse.
Be careful what you wish for.
Yeah I've thought about that before. I mean as gratifying as it would feel to get a big victory for the progressives, I suspect opening the door to such behavior on the left only normalizes it for all govt and creates a point where there's no going back. Suddenly govt is corrupt beyond redemption.
democratic party (...) agenda of allowing people to live a quiet life (...) without major medical complications bankrupting them
Yeah, no. While significantly better than the previous system, the ACA was a huge giveaway to the medical insurance industry.
Which makes sense when you consider how the corporate Dems recieve more in legal bribes from that same industry than Republicans do.
That thing that Republicans crippled at every opportunity? The poor replacement for universal Healthcare that had to be put out because actual Healthcare reform won't happen in current times without people ignoring the stupid minority who doesn't understand that true universal healthcare will eventually SAVE money on Healthcare for everyone in the US, including what you pay in taxes.
Fuck all the way off with "both sides" bullshit. Only one side wants me and mine dead.
Not all criticism of corporate democrat greed is "both sidesing". It's a fact that they are raking in tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars in legal bribes from the insurance industry every election season.
It's also a fact that the ACA passed with 0 Republican votes, meaning that the ones who were responsible for making it extremely lucrative for the donors and not universal single payer were all democrats.
Just because the ones on the other side of the aisle are much worse (and I'll not for a second deny that. They're a literal fascist party) doesn't mean that the DNC leadership cares more about you than their owner donors.
Biden even said that he would veto M4A, based on a false talking point directly from PHRMA.
The giveaway was mostly to fund electronic medical records and the upgrade to standards in line with the WHO documentation standard. The money that was provided was usually not enough because so many organizations were basically starting from the beginning. I was at a top ten health in the US org, and it took years to build our system and when the ACA was approved, we really started to make a lot of big jumps in progress
The giveaway was mostly to fund electronic medical records and the upgrade to standards in line with the WHO documentation standard
Bullshit. The vast majority of health care funding goes to health insurance companies profits, not fucking record keeping 🤦
The money that was provided
I'm talking about the money STILL being provided every day of every year. Whichever cherry picked one time payment you pick, it's nothing compared to that.
I was at a top ten health in the US org
Ah, so THAT'S why you're so adamant about defending the ACA! You're one of the ACTUAL primary beneficiaries!
when the ACA was approved, we really started to make a lot of big jumps in progress
That's an odd way to spell profits.
Do you even know that the bills are generated by your medical record? If it's not in the record how do they know what to charge you?
You are clearly ignorant and just cynical
Yay, another strawman! I never said that record keeping isn't important. I said that it's not where anywhere near the majority of the healthcare funds are going and neither is treatment.
Just because you cannot comprehend the complexity of a situation doesn't mean someone is dealing in logical fallacy.
Putting aside your arrogant "you can't possibly know better than me, I worked at A BIG COMPANY in the industry" bullshit, that was a strawman no matter how much or how little I know or comprehend.
Since you apparently aren't aware, this is the definition
straw man
An argument or opponent set up so as to be easily refuted or defeated
What my argument was and is: the vast majority of health care funding is not going towards record keeping. That most of it is going to corporate profits is the main failing of the ACA.
The argument of your strawman version of me: The ACA is bad because record keeping doesn't matter.
if you understood logical fallacy I would argue with you more but you clearly don't and you don't understand the ACA or the cost of healthcare. So I am done with your idiocy.
So here is some advice, if you feel a logical fallacy is being used you argue that but calling it out isnt the instant win you think it is. It actually just shows how intellectually weak your own argument is.
if you understood logical fallacy
I've literally just demonstrated that I do.
you don't understand the ACA or the cost of healthcare
Newsflash: not falling for your pro-corporate gaslighting ≠ ignorance
So I am done with your idiocy.
Likewise, bootlicker.
if you feel a logical fallacy is being used you argue that but calling it out isnt the instant win you think it is. It actually just shows how intellectually weak your own argument is.
That I've demonstrated that your argument is based on inventing a false version of my argument to make it easier to defeat makes MY argument look weak? The one you couldn't defeat without altering it?
What the fuck have you been smoking?? 🤦
So I am a bootlicker now? LOL so accuse me of logical fallacies and then just jump right in on them yourself?
Well it was fun, have a nice holiday. Maybe try not being such an asshole next year.
So I am a bootlicker now?
Well since you're spreading the pro-corporate propaganda you're either wearing the boot or licking it and there aren't many billionaires here on Lemmy to my knowledge 🤷
Maybe try not being such an asshole next year.
Right back at you. Hope whichever industry you work in now, if any, doesn't bankrupt hundreds of thousands of people a year like the medical insurance companies do.
As someone from outside the US, it always gives me a giggle seeing the democrats described anything left of centre, especially communist.
In lots of places they'd be centre right. Or just right.
A libertarian Lenin! 😆
“I am Andrew Lenin and I’m here to ask you a question: Is a state not entitled to the sweat of its brow?”
Communism is when people clap their hands and tend thier garden.
Must be terrifying knowing that the evils of the 1950s are only a few daffodils away.
People don't tend 'their' gardens in USSR. All gardens belong to the govenment. They tend to the government's gardens, and voluntarily give their crops for the proliferation of the Communist Revolution.
Clapping hands was accurate though.
You can own a garden in communism though. The distinction is personal vs private property. But yes that does mean you don't own farmland privately.
AOC'S gardening advice "echoes the hubris" of Mao's great leap forward, lol. The headline works in a sense because I definitely want to know more
Is the right wing press a dadaist experiment?
If only! Would have been a really good one!