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[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 122 points 9 months ago

I can taste the irony. Or maybe that's just blood

[–] undercrust@lemmy.ca 104 points 9 months ago (4 children)

LOL, sooo close and then WHOOSH, totally missed the point

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This one makes my teeth itch

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[–] Kase@lemmy.world 102 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The last section of the comic kinda hits deep to me because that's exactly what happened once I worked up the nerve to leave Christianity. That was before I noticed the title, which just made it ironic.

[–] ook_the_librarian@lemmy.world 33 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I might still be religious if the creationist community didn't exist. I met a lot of creationists in college. It was a mild culture shock. I believed in God and evolution. No issues.

They kept pestering me to look into the arguments. Long story, short: I eventually did. I just kept finding liar after liar. Found the lies didn't stop on at pseudoscience either.

Thank you, creationist community. My life is better now.

[–] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 17 points 9 months ago

There's an old joke that the best way to create an atheist is to have them read the bible cover to cover. The more you know, the less it makes sense.

[–] Thrashy@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Same. The denomination I grew up in was adamant that the Bible had to be literally true in its entirety or none of it was valid at all. One I'd convinced myself that evolution was real and the universe was more than 6000 years old, I was like... "Welp, guess I gotta be an atheist now."

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[–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world 86 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Coming from the "I did my own research" crowd this shit is mind boggling. Aren't they the ones disagreeing with the scientific community regularly?

Waking up as a conservative must be like

Oh boy time to look for credible information on Facebook!

[–] thorbot@lemmy.world 26 points 9 months ago (1 children)

They have the horse blinders on and also have the fucking mouthpiece attached that makes them spew the rhetoric they see on headlines of Fox. And don’t you dare ask for any further details because that’s just asking to hear the same headline again

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 12 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Omfg it's infuriating...

When we had Trump and all the Russian investigations my dad would send me some bullshit fox news opinion article and then I would spend hours going over the actual information from the government, id go over the hearing, I even explained numerous times how this or that individual uses specific words as they have legal meaning from xyz source.

His reply would be another fucking Fox news opinion article.

[–] Thrashy@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I went through a phase of trying to argue facts with Trump supporters in my extended network of family and friends. I finally decided it wasn't worth it when the last of them I was in touch with went absolutely bugshit insane during COVID lockdowns, but probably the most demoralizing one was when I spent weeks going back and forth with a friend of a friend via DMs, citing research papers and statistics, only to be ultimately blown off with an admission that the guy didn't care about any of it beyond who was going to be friendlier to the oil industry (he worked as a safety consultant for offshore operations). No amount of racism, bigotry or violence was enough to sway him away from Trump as long as his own pocket was being lined appropriately.

I briefly went back to check how he was feeling about that when WTI crude went negative in the early days of COVID, but he was just parroting the Texas lieutenant governor's line about how grannies should feel proud to die for the economy, so I didn't even bother razzing him about it.

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[–] nycki@lemmy.world 83 points 9 months ago (6 children)

Anyone else think a lot of conservatives feel this way?

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 38 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Yeah, I was thinking this is just straight up projection

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago

Nah, too self aware to be conservative. They've already done their research in the form of listening to half a dozen right-wing commentators. They're all saying the same thing so that must make it true.

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[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 82 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Remember the study that linked lower intelligence to right wing beliefs?

That's why so many people become way more liberal after they leave home and go to higher education, they literally grow their brain.

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 50 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Ding ding. Imagine getting objective feedback from peers and experts instead of your immediate family for four years?

Imagine seven years?

Imagine eleven years?

It's Conservatives whose beliefs are founded on feelings, not on objective reality. The proof is that most of them didn't go to college, so they can't possibly be founding their beliefs on something objective.

"Family is the cradle of the world's misinformation."

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 26 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That's why I am leery of people who live in the same small town all their lives. How can you have any reasonable perspective on others? But you go to university and meet a broad spectrum of people with diverse ideas and backgrounds and you come to realize you don't know very much yet. And you learn. That's why conservatives hate higher education and rant and rave that it indoctrinates their children away from being conservative, it is SUPPOSED to because you are being EDUCATED away from the beliefs of stupidity they hold. Because conservative beliefs are stupid.

[–] FraidyBear@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

It's also why they rant and rave a out policing the internet. It used to be that getting out of your small town and going to ANY type of higher learning like community college or a even some trade schools was enough to grow, learn, and meet diverse groups of people. Now you don't ever have to leave your small town to learn, grow, and be presented the largest collective of diversity ever. It's sitting in the palm of your hand.

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[–] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 79 points 9 months ago (1 children)

"Flaired users only"

How very pro free speech they are!

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 64 points 9 months ago (6 children)

There was literally a popup that I saw posted on here a little while ago from r/conservative that tells you essentially "this is a conservative safe space, difference of opinion is not welcome, we do not wish to have outsiders try to change our beliefs. This is for conservatives to discuss conservativism."

They're a fucking joke.

[–] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 51 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

"Look at me, I'm the snowflake now."

[–] Goferking0@ttrpg.network 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] EmptySlime@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 9 months ago

"Every accusation a confession" and all that.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Are you upset at the hypocrisy or the concept itself?

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[–] LoamImprovement@ttrpg.network 76 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

"Anyone else think a lot of liberals feel this way?"

/r/Conservative, "Flaired users only."

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[–] runswithjedi@lemmy.world 48 points 9 months ago (6 children)

They posted about a study on "do your own research" today on Vice. Very interesting read.

Scientists Explain Why ‘Doing Your Own Research’ Leads to Believing Conspiracies https://www.vice.com/en/article/v7bjpm/scientists-explain-why-doing-your-own-research-leads-to-buying-conspiracies

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[–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 47 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That's the Projection in GOP folks!

[–] PeepinGoodArgs@reddthat.com 16 points 9 months ago

You know it because it's not Democrats that are 'losing' their friends and family.

[–] Donjuanme@lemmy.world 42 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Da bibble is full of the truths I need. There's no smaller seed than a mustard seed, and bats are another variety of bird. Is it the truth, or is it what you've been told you must believe lest ye risk ostracizing yourself from your peers?

I feel projection of right wing levels.

[–] kromem@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (6 children)

There's no smaller seed than a mustard seed

There might be more to that one than you think.

Here was the only group in antiquity with a different explanation for the sower parable (that it was about physical creation of the cosmos) talking about the mustard seed:

That which is, he says, nothing, and which consists of nothing, inasmuch as it is indivisible — (I mean) a point — will become through its own reflective power a certain incomprehensible magnitude. This, he says, is the kingdom of heaven, the grain of mustard seed

  • Pseudo-Hippolytus Refutations 5.4

This group kept describing seeds as being indivisible points that make up all things and were the originating cause of the universe.

Language pretty much straight out of Lucretius's De Rerum Natura where describing the atomism of Epicureanism for a Roman audience couldn't use the Greek atomos ('indivisible') and used the word for 'seed' instead.

In a book widely popular in the Roman empire 50 years before Jesus was born.

In fact, Lucretius's book is not only the only surviving book from antiquity to explicitly describe survival of the fittest being the mechanism by which mutants in nature survived or died off based on adaptation, but specifically used the language of "seed falling by the wayside of a path" to describe failed biological reproduction.

Again, in a book 80 years before a guy allegedly talking about how only what survived of randomly scattered seeds multipled and the seed that fell by the wayside of a path did not. In a public saying that was the only one in the earliest gospel to canonically have a "secret explanation" later on. Why were they so threatened by this saying?

There may have been more to the context around what these sayings about seeds from a guy killed by request of religious orthodoxy leadership were about in a culture where also from the 1st century a Rabbi was recorded as saying "why do we study the Torah? To know how to answer the Epicurean."

Don't just take at face value what cannonical Christianity says with its damage control versions of secret explanations and boring ass nonsense about 'faith growing.'

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[–] EatYouWell@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Don't forget the fact that the Bible requires that any woman who isn't a virgin when married be executed. So, pretty much every republican woman.

If they actually followed the Bible, there wouldn't be any Republicans left.

[–] youCanCallMeDragon@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago (7 children)

The Old Testament only applies when it’s convenient

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[–] niktemadur@lemmy.world 31 points 9 months ago (4 children)

"Science: two biological genders!"
"Oh yeah? Also science: 3.5 billion years of evolution."
"I don't wanna talk about this anymore, I have a headache."

...and so it goes...

[–] accideath@lemmy.world 41 points 9 months ago (10 children)

Fun fact: Modern science does not say that there are only two biological genders but that even on a biological level, there is a spectrum. For example, there are measurable differences between the brains of a woman and a transgender man and there are more viable chromosome combinations than XY and XX.

[–] Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Heart's in the right place but can I just break down "biological gender" for a sec? Gender is more or less a Victorian euphemism for "sex". The word's original usage and origins are actually close to "genre" like book genre and in modern usage it works closer to "genre" as it describes an internal sense of affiliation to a cultural or phenotypic category or abstention from category drawn culturally broadly along reproductive groups. It's a fuzzy line that we don't use biology to try and police on purpose. It's more the realm of psychology and wrapped up in questions of what supports a fulfilling life of interpersonal connection.

Gender is a lot of things but if you are talking about sexual characteristics and intersex people it's important to distinguish and highlight that discussions about sex characteristics and gender distinctions are two separate conversations with two mostly unrelated minorites. Very often I see intersex people's existence being used as a conservative gotcha for support of trans folk like myself and... It doesn't work. They know trans and intersex folk aren't the same thing and you are trying to red herring them off of the discussion they really want to have. Also... Intersex issues deserve more individual spotlight where they aren't mashed in with transgender advocacy. They have their own unique battles with beaurcracy, society, mental health and so on. Give em some love sometimes. Talk about how our social concepts of binary sex has medical and social consequences for them. They need the press too.

Severing the old euphemism "gender" completely from the word "sex" so we can better have these discussions is a start. A lot of Conservatives use the two interchangeably to imply that gender doesn't exist, to them it is just a synonym for sex so word combos like "biological gender" is developing into a unique alt right dog whistle with it's own google alt-right web result pit so just wanna give you a heads up on that front.

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[–] lugal@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Basic biology: there are 2 genders

Basic math: 15 is not divideable by 4

[–] rbhfd@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago (6 children)

Mathematical biology: the amount of genders is not a natural number (assuming it's a spectrum), but it is countable

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[–] TheControlled@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

I'm sure Zach loves his comic being used against him. The gall...

[–] LudwigvanBeethoven@sh.itjust.works 13 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I think the content speaks for itself. It's shit.

But let's talk about the typography: as someone who uses LaTeX, and irrationally hates bad typography, this one seems targeted. Look at the absolute state of the fourth panel! Ewwww. The river--- I just can't!

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[–] BeautifulMind@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

LOL they keep trying to call their apologia 'research' in order to give it unwarranted respectability

Interestingly, it happens that when you don't know how to actually do research (like, can you interrogate your sources, put them in appropriate context, evaluate what they have to say critically?) you're more likely to land on disinformation sources or feed yourself confirmation bias than you would have been if you'd read what experts have to say on a given subject.

[–] lugal@lemmy.ml 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Facts don't care about your feelings

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Unless they are alternative facts. Alternative facts are very feeling dependent.

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Damn this is a good one

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