only 54? sad
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These types of polls always make me realize how doomed the Republican party is. Their guy engaged in an insurrection to stay in power after losing the election. Rather than going "yeah, you can't do that" and picking someone else as their nominee for the next election, they're barreling forward with the same old traitorous loser. All the while, ignoring the constitution and claiming that it's the Democrats who are against democracy.
I know the expectation is for the U.S. Supreme Court to reverse this ruling.
However, I think there are plenty of Republicans that recognize things have gone wrong for them and would like to see Trump eliminated, particularly if they can complain that it was a terrible thing that they would never support.
Let's be clear. Anyone who's not spoken out about him in the Republican party is a coward.
But, I think you are right. I think quite a few aren't taking the risk of speaking out against him because they think the courts and process will do it for them. They are trying to have their cake and eat it too.
In some ways it's probably a smart move, but it shows the absolute lack of moral character and backbone of modern Republicans.
A coward or an evil piece of shit that agrees with fascism.
I hate to say it (no I don't, I hate that it's true), but it's often both with MAGAts.
It does seem to be more a question of motivation (when it comes to voting)
The Supremes will likely overturn it, but this is the best possible opportunity for the GOP to right the ship. I think if just one justice will cross and vote with the other side, Roberts goes with them. His legacy can go from Citizens United and overturning Roe to stopping the second insurrection from happening and saving democracy.
There's also a slightly higher chance that they leave the whole thing alone and say it's up to the states to decide. If enough states, especially swing states, bar Trump from running over the next several months, the GOP may need to call an audible at the convention.
I find it interesting that there is almost no one in the somewhat disapprove camp. More people strongly approve than somewhat approve, but clearly there is some ambivalence and nuance out there among those who approve of the decision. But if you disapprove, it's all or nothing. Sounds about right.
i keep saying it and i keep being rebuked without evidence but the numbers suggest there's no such thing as swing or 'independent' voters. Hasn't been a thing since at least 2016, probably beyond with Obama. No one is 50/50 on Trump. Swing, centrist, independent voters don't actually exist.
Anymore.
I disagree. While Trump is polarizing, there are plenty of swing voters who would absolutely consider voting for a decent candidate from either party.
I am one such person. I voted for Republicans until Trump, then voted third party, then voted for Biden in 2020. I have voted for Rs, Ds, and third parties in almost every election in the last 15 years or so. I am unlikely to vote for Biden in this coming election, but I'm absolutely not voting for Trump. If a reasonable Republican gets the nomination, I may end up voting Republican.
I don't think I'm all that unique here. There are plenty in the middle that just need decent candidates to go after their votes.
How can anything in this country have 24 percent of one side support and only end up at 54 percent of the total? Should be closer to 70 if that's true. I guess somehow miraculously we never get more than 55 percent support for anything, but this stat sounds as inaccurate as me making up: 51 percent of Americans are pro choice including 20 percent of Republicans
Assume there are 200 people in a room; half are Democrats and half are Republicans. Assume 24% of the Republicans approve of this result. Assume 85% of the Democrats approve of this result.
(85 + 24) / 200 people = ~54%
"24% of Republicans". Not "24% of the population". Republicans are a subset of the whole.
If the population were half Democrats and half Republicans that would be 24% of the half that is Republican.
There is a bit of a bias from the fact that there are more registered Democrats than Republicans (about 46% of population vs. 23% for Republicans), so given a random sampling of the population, the numbers work. I don't have the numbers, but I remember hearing that Democrats were also more likely to take part in these polls overall.
Something something literacy and critical thinking do wonders.
US elections are not a popularity contest. Didn’t Trump win with less than 50% of the popular vote?
And what is that decision?
Trump will not appear on the ballot in Colorado unless the Supreme Court takes the case and overturns it. As it stands, the Supreme Court has not taken the case, but it is incredibly likely they will take the case. It is also likely they will overturn it, but it is not unclear how since it's actually well-reasoned and grounded in the law as it is written. Won't stop them though.
(I'm parroting the Chris Hayes show from last night.)
The court is collectively taking their talents to South Beach.