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[–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 188 points 1 year ago (4 children)

FACT: 90% of divers give up just before finding something really neat in an underwater cave

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 60 points 1 year ago (1 children)

those that find it don't come back because it's just so neat

[–] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Then there's another 1% that aren't even part of the original statistic because they're spawned by the pure awesomeness of what's inside that cave.

[–] Igloojoe@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ooo a cool rock! Worth it!! dies

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Ooo the remains of a diver that found a cool rock! dies

[–] Kepabar@startrek.website 8 points 1 year ago

Aside from some fish which evolved with no eyes (which is kind of cool), the only other thing you are likely to find down there is a dead body that everyone decided was too dangerous to recover.

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[–] comrade19@lemmy.world 70 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Theres a good podcasts by stuff you should know on this. A scary thought to me is about kicking up sediment, causing zero visibility and they cant even see their hand in front of their goggles

[–] bmsok@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've done training dives in man made quarries under zero visibility conditions. There's no way in hell I'd go into an actual cave under those conditions.

It was bad enough when you'd almost run into a purposefully placed sculpture or bathtub in that flooded quarry.

You had to do a scavenger hunt to find stuff to pass your training and it was super disorienting.

I don't know if PADI still does that sort of thing or if it was unique to my training center conditions but it was wild.

I'll stick to open water, thank you very much.

[–] subtext@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh those sorts of training conditions absolutely still exist. I got my rescue diving certification in an old quarry much like what you said. Really helps make you appreciate the conditions when out in the Caribbean and you have >100 ft of visibility in every direction.

[–] bmsok@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Oh, I totally agree with you. It's literally like night and day. You just transported me from those murky depths to those absolutely crystal clear Caribbean waters... So many fun memories in every condition.

New fear unlocked

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[–] Cringe2793@lemmy.world 58 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There's nothing in this cave worth dying for

That's precisely what someone would say if there's stuff worth dying for in there.

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[–] ElBarto@sh.itjust.works 57 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

You took it further than I would. I'd listen to the sign these days, but there was absolutely a time that, that sign would have just been a challenge.

Edit: for you grammar nerds. Do I need that comma? It seems like it should be there, but it also seems superfluous at the same time.

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[–] Deiv@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago

You son of a bitch, I'm in!

[–] N0body@sh.itjust.works 43 points 1 year ago

If those spelunkers could read, they'd be very upset.

[–] itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.ml 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah but that's for other people, not me.

[–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Right? I haven't died yet!

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[–] DuckOverload@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago

109 billion people have died outside of underwater caves. I'll take my chances.

[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 34 points 1 year ago

There’s nothing in this cave worth dying for

There’s nothing outside it to live for. Show me the damn cave

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The best part about underwater cave diving is that you don't have to go!

[–] Bbbbbbbbbbb@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You have to ignore many different warnings to even get to the area youre not supposed to be in! First and foremost, humans by design do not breathe water, therefore we have no reason to be under water.

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[–] picnic@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago (2 children)

But what if there really is something valuable, wouldn't they put a sign just like this to prevent people walzing in?

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[–] hakunawazo@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Okay, they almost had me convinced. But the second to last sentence is just crying out for a treasure.

[–] Mamertine@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

That's a good point. If I was hiding treasure in an underwater cave, I'd wanta sign like this at the entrance. It'd keep it out most of those medeling kids.

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[–] Beelzebob@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I believe this is one of the caves at Ginnie Springs. If so, I know a guy who died in there. Cave diving is no joke.

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[–] Lionel@endlesstalk.org 22 points 1 year ago (6 children)

What’s so dangerous that it was able to kill instructors? Sediment and visibility?

[–] CosmicTurtle@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

Basically yes. Once you go inside a cave like this, it gets dark real fast. You can't tell where "up" is and you can't find your way back. So these people often drown or suffocate.

In cave dive training, you learn how not to do that.

[–] fhqwhgads@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's dark so requires torches (more than one as a backup) and very easy to get disoriented. You can easily get lost and run out of air. Risk of being blinded by silt even with a torch, leading to more risk of disoriented and getting lost. If anything goes wrong such as equipment malfunction then you don't have the option of going to the surface as you do in open water (albeit with the risk of a bend). It's often cramped with places to get stuck, snag equipment, or get tangled in your guideline. There are sharp rocks you can hit your head on.

[–] Zoboomafoo@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Correct, with no visibility it's very hard to orient yourself

[–] Restaldt@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

I reckon it was all the water that killed them

[–] Empyreus@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Cave diving is a completely different skill set than open water diving. While they both are underwater with diving tanks, cave diving takes specialized skills.

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[–] Skipper_the_Eyechild@lemmings.world 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Farther is the correct word, and has been confused with further for so long (over a hundred years), that they both mean exactly the same thing nowadays, so not sure why people are taking issues with it.

Unless I'm missing something?

[–] Subverb@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I don't see any comments of people taking issue with it. But words do mean things, and some people like to speak with precision.

[–] whosdadog@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Words apparently don't mean things anymore, Merriam Webster added a new definition for "literally" this year

[–] Pipoca@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Merriam Webster is a descriptive dictionary. They don't tell you how words "should" be used, they say how words are used.

Using literally as an intensifier goes back literal centuries. The earliest written citation we've found of that usage goes back to 1769. It can be found everywhere from Dickens to Brontë.

It's also hardly the first word to go on a similar path towards becoming an intensifier. Very originally meant "genuine", really meant "in fact", absolutely meant "completely", etc.

But who complains about sentences like "I was really bored to death", or "I was absolutely rooted to the ground"? Does saying "it's very cold" just mean "it is a genuine fact that it is cold"?

Literally still means what it means. You can't use literally to mean "yellow", for example. People aren't generally confused when they come across the word.

[–] Bgugi@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Language is a complex and nuanced subject, but it often helps to remember that "all words are made up."

Idioms and hyperbole are both used extensively in language to imbue feeling to statements, most people would roll their eyes at someone who interjects with a "there's no actual evidence that boredom can be lethal" or a "I highly doubt that vendor would accept human limbs as payment," but somehow lots of people stan for "literal" snobbery.

If it makes you feel any better, you can think of it as a homophone from the same root: "in a manner related to literature," speaking to artistic yet inexact use of words in a sentence.

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[–] ArcaneGadget@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Am I the only one for whom prefacing a statement with "FACT", makes said statement less credible?

[–] SmoothIsFast@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] Notyou@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

FACT: ArcaneGadget thinks this statement is less credible.

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[–] cybervseas@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] MrGerrit@feddit.nl 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Why have you forsaken me? In your eyes forsaken me In your thoughts forsaken me In your heart forsaken me, oh

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[–] rah@feddit.uk 13 points 1 year ago

They've convinced me. I'm going in.

[–] IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Not being a diver at all, what sort of “cave equipment” is this alluding to?

[–] unknown@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Off the top of my head, rope to put down Gide lines in case you get silted out so you have something to follow to get out.

Also extra everything, if your open water diving and you run out of air (or other critial equipment failure) you can roll the dice on the bends by going straight to the surface, not so with cave diving; your just going to drown.

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[–] shneancy@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

torches, iron pickage, some cooked beef, iron armour, 16 logs

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[–] CodexArcanum@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

I'm not a caver or a diver, but I've read a few stories about cave diving. A big one is a cable on a retracting reel. Caves which are frequently explored will have guide cables bolted along the walls for long stretches. You snap your cable onto these and then use it as a leash back to the guide. This allows you to explore off a certain distance without getting lost. You can always follow your own line back to the guide, and follow the guide back out. In an "unimproved" cave, you'd presumably want lots of extra line to build your own guides.

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[–] spittingimage@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Well, I'm convinced.

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