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A federal judge on Monday temporarily barred the removal of a memorial to Confederate soldiers at Arlington National Cemetery after a push from a citizens group and some GOP lawmakers.

The temporary restraining order, issued by U.S. District Judge Rossie D. Alston Jr. in Alexandra, Va., comes just one day after a group called Defend Arlington, which is affiliated with a group called Save Southern Heritage Florida, filed a suit against the Department of Defense seeking a restraining order against the memorial’s removal.

It is set to expire at 5 p.m. Wednesday following an expected hearing Wednesday morning.

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[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 89 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Fucking racists bawling like babies because their valorization of traitors is going to be removed.

I don't know a single other country that has monuments to the losing side of a civil war.

[–] originalfrozenbanana@lemm.ee 27 points 11 months ago (3 children)

They still view the South as righteous. In Texas growing up I had history teachers refer to it as the war of northern aggression

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I heard it referred to as "the war between the states," and that was at a deeply conservative religious private school.

Deliberately miseducating children is reprehensible behavior.

[–] originalfrozenbanana@lemm.ee 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Which states rights? The right to do what, exactly?

Yeah even as a kid I found this whole “fundamental disagreement about how to run a state” argument to be nonsense

[–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 8 points 11 months ago

To keep slaves is the simple answer. More nuanced is that the southern states seceded because several "non-slaveholding" states refuse to follow federal law and return escaped slaves and the federal government refused to enforce those laws. (a good call)

There were a bunch of issues wrapped up in the road to civil war, but they were almost all related to slavery.

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Who can forget when the garrison at Fort Sumpter aggressively followed their orders by not leaving when ordered to by a group of people with no authority. Those yank soldiers were standing there, MENACINGLY!

Don’t ask me who shot first

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

My honors US history professor taught us the Civil War was all about trade. Well, yeah, that was certainly an important part, Northern industry vs. agrarian South. It was a huge part of the war, both how it started and how it played out.

By FFS, did the man never read the various states letters of succession?! Here go a few.

And seriously people, read those letters. Don't clap yourself on the back for regurgitating, "It was SLAVERY!" Come at it from a learned point of view or you're no better than anyone else talking shit.

[–] sndmn@lemmy.ca 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'll bet they all consider themselves "patriots" too... Maybe they are, just not for the country they live in.

[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

For a country that had a shorter existence than Ghostbuster's cereal.

[–] Kalkaline@leminal.space 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Hey now the Confederacy was at least 4 Santos's

[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 10 points 11 months ago

Whose term in office was shorter than the recommended shelf life for coconut oil stored at room temp.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 38 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

For about 1/10th of a second I thought, "Well, maybe not so inappropriate at Arlington. It is a place dedicated to fallen American warriors, even if they lost fighting the Union."

The statue, unveiled in 1914, features a bronze woman, crowned with olive leaves, standing on a 32-foot pedestal, and was designed to represent the American South. According to Arlington, the woman holds a laurel wreath, a plow stock and a pruning hook, with a Biblical inscription at her feet that says: “They have beat their swords into plough-shares and their spears into pruning hooks.”

Meh, not so bad. I kinda like the idea there.

Some of the figures also on the statue include a Black woman depicted as “Mammy” holding what is said to be the child of a white officer, and an enslaved man following his owner to war.

LOL my god. We're done here. Drop that shit in the Marianna Trench.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago

Yeah, I could even understand defending a statue of Lee. I disagree with it, but I understand it.

"A statue of a slave following his owner into battle" is all we needed to hear for this one. The rest is bad, but that's indefensible.

[–] MrMcGasion@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Drop that shit in the Marianna Trench.

I wouldn't want the creatures in the Marianna Trench to think we're endorsing that kind of thing. Although, we arguably deserve an eldritch horror from the deep surfacing to judge us for our evil deeds.

[–] Pipoca@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Yeah. We need to drop it into mount doom.

Edit: apparently the Iceland volcano just started erupting. This is clearly a sign to drop it in that volcano.

[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 19 points 11 months ago

Losers crying that someone wants to take away their participation trophy.

[–] charonn0@startrek.website 18 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Why the fuck is a Confederate memorial in Arlington in the first place?

[–] Saprophyte@lemmy.world 26 points 11 months ago

There's an article, but the tldr is... In 1906, 51 years after the losers lost, the daughters of the confederacy wanted to remind Black people where their place was.

[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)
[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That is something I missed, thank you for bringing this to my attention, shame it didn't go to the ground.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Still laughing about that one! One of the few memes I've saved because it was so on point.

[–] MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Just vandalize it beyond repair. Problem solved.

[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 15 points 11 months ago

If it is bronze, cheap spaghetti sauce will ruin it and there isn't any known way to reverse the damage.

[–] hissingmeerkat@sh.itjust.works 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

"quickly". The report listing that it was being removed came out 15 months ago.

[–] ceenote@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

I don't think these people read good.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

What is this bullshit?

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Watch, someone's going to deface it in the middle of the night so they have no choice.

[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 5 points 11 months ago

Go to the local Italian restaurant, wait for a serving of marinara to be tossed, and you have a cheap way to permanently hurt the statue.

[–] AnonymooseGuy@mas.to 2 points 11 months ago

@MicroWave
#Insurrectionist memorials do not belong in National Memorials.

#JustSayin