Some instances know their embrace, extend, extinguish history and some don’t.
this post was submitted on 18 Dec 2023
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And for those that don't:
https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html
I still stand by that defederation as the only line of defense is a losing strategy. Keeping users siloed in Facebook's garden shouldn't be seen as a win for us.
Keeping users siloed in Facebook’s garden shouldn’t be seen as a win for us.
Sometimes the only winning move is not to play. If people hadn't federated with google's XMPP back in the day, google wouldn't have had the same level of control it had to kill XMPP as a competitor.
We need to learn from the lessons of the past, and the past has resulted in the deaths of services when federating with corporations.
"We should debate them... And defeat them on the Marketplace of Ideas." Yeah, right.
I never said defeating them or out competing them should be the goal. The goal should be the survival of services. And corporations will kill these services.
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What is your definition of win? Market share? Are you thinking in capitalist terms?
Nobody is forcing those people to use Facebook, and they are welcome to come here whenever they like.
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There seems to a mistake saying that Threads is not blocked by lemmy.zip, when we defederated them months ago.
Am I the one who finds X federated in the status of this website as that instance is not federated ?
It also confuses me that it says like that instance is federated.
Yes. I get the idea, because federating with them is the "negative" option, but honestly it's just confusing and overly opinionated for an infographic.
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Is Lemmy.world not going to defederate from Threads? Did I miss something?
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It's somehow fun to see instance rules adding a clause about We do not federate with organization involved in Genocides
And a pitty that Meta is that Bad !
We gotta pump these numbers up
What is fedipact?
"i am an instance admin/mod on the fediverse. by signing this pact, i hereby agree to block any instances owned by meta should they pop up on the fediverse. project92 is a real and serious threat to the health and longevity of fedi and must be fought back against at every possible opportunity"
fedipact.online
This makes it just confusing? The pink heart = good, but the red cross = good too? But again the red cross seems bad as green = blocked.
Sorry I don't get it.
- green checkmark = blocked
- pink heart = blocked, signed fedipact
- yellow exclamation mark = limited
- red cross = not blocked
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This is why I love DBZER0
Not nearly enough.
I hope LW limits federation
Have the admins said anything? Why are we federated with them?
Yep. They don't care and they're going to keep federation with Facebook so "users have the choice to opt out"
Mastodon's largest instance is letting them in too
The new Lemmy 19 allows users to block instances so that's not unreasonable for the largest instances. Gotta show new users that users have control.
Good. On one hand it's good to see fediverse stuff coming mainstream, on the other hand the last thing we want is a load of celebrities and brands trying to cannibalise said fediverse as an opportunity to corner the market instead of genuinely useful resources for communication
If the Fediverse is truly the architecture of the future, then shouldn't it be able to stand any attempt by Meta to control it? If Meta is able to control it, then isn't it the wrong solution?
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Super useful
So, I choose the right instances at the beginning.
What about limited, what is it?
You can follow Threads accounts after clicking through a warning.
People who don't follow those same people won't see their posts.
You have to manually approve followers from Threads.
Basically, it puts Threads in quarantine, without cutting off all connections.
I think this sounds way more reasonable. There's will always be people like celebrities that I might want to follow, who will probably never be on mastodon or Lemmy. But I also understand the existential concerns for the future of the fediverse.
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How do I block threads.net ? I searched for but couldn't find it to block it
You need to wait for your instance to be updated to 0.19 for individual instance blocks to be available.
I'm on a Mastodon that's defederated and a Lemmy that's federated. Let the games begin!
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