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[–] DmMacniel@feddit.de 321 points 11 months ago (6 children)

When you insist on implementing your own email address validation...

[–] DeltaTangoLima@reddrefuge.com 169 points 11 months ago (6 children)

I have my own domain that uses a specific 2-letter ccTLD - it's a short domain variation of my surname (think "goo.gl" for Google). I've been using it for years, for my email.

Over those years, I have discovered an astonishing number of fuckheaded organisations whose systems insist I should have an email address with a "traditional" TLD at the end.

[–] stickmanmeyhem@lemmy.world 85 points 11 months ago (5 children)

A few years back I bought a .family domain for my wife and I to have emails at ourlastname.family That lasted a week because almost every online service wouldn’t accept it. Now we have a .org

[–] CosmicTurtle@lemmy.world 43 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Doesn't surprise me one bit. I've noticed that a lot of websites will only accept .com and a few will only accept email addresses from popular providers (Gmail, Hotmail, outlook, etc.)

My guess is that it's trying to reduce spam and fake account generation.

[–] deweydecibel@lemmy.world 58 points 11 months ago

My guess is that it's trying to reduce spam and fake account generation.

Thus preventing the growth of any small providers and further entrenching Microsoft, Google, Apple, and a handful of others as the only "viable" options.

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[–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 46 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The only useful email validation is "can I get an MX from that" and "does it understand what I'm saying in that SMTP". Anything else is someone that have too much free time.

[–] cashews_best_nut@lemmy.world 31 points 11 months ago (5 children)

It's easier to Google "email regex [language]" and copy the first result from stack overflow.

[–] vithigar@lemmy.ca 41 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Definitely a timesaver. Much faster to get incorrect email validation that way then to try building it yourself.

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[–] KickMeElmo@sopuli.xyz 31 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I've encountered this because my domain has a hyphen in it. Very irritating.

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[–] aard@kyu.de 22 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I'm not aware of any correct email validations. I'm still looking for something accepting a space in the localpart.

Also a surprising number of sites mess with the casing of the localpart. Don't do that - many mailservers do accept arbitrary case, but not all. MyName@example.com and myname@example.com are two different mail addresses, which may point to the same mailbox if you are lucky.

[–] CosmicTurtle@lemmy.world 24 points 11 months ago (6 children)

The only correct regex for email is: .+@.+

So long as the address has a local part, the at sign, and a hostname, it's a valid email address.

Whether it goes somewhere is the tricky part.

[–] xantoxis@lemmy.world 24 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (6 children)

Sorry, this is not a correct regex for an email address.

Sending using mail on a local unix system? You only need the local part.

STOP VALIDATING NAMES AND EMAIL ADDRESSES. Send a verification email. Full stop. Don't do anything else. You really want to do this anyway, because it's a defense against bots.

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[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 176 points 11 months ago (8 children)

Somebody made a shitty regex.

[–] jwt@programming.dev 71 points 11 months ago (27 children)

Probably, from what I can see the address in question isn't really that exotic. but an email regex that validates 100% correctly is near impossible. And then you still don't know if the email address actually exists.

I'd just take the user at their word and send an email with an activation link to the address that was supplied. If the address is invalid, the mail won't get delivered. No harm done.

[–] Alexstarfire@lemmy.world 25 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Actually, one of our customers found out the hard way that there is harm in sending emails to invalid addresses. Too many kickbacks and cloud services think you're a bot. Prevented the customer from being able to send emails for 24 hours.

This is the result of them "requiring" an email for customers but entering a fake one if they didn't want to provide their email, and then trying to send out an email to everyone.

Our software has an option to disable that requirement but they didn't want to use it because they wanted their staff to remember to ask for an email address. It was not a great setup but they only had themselves to blame.

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[–] soulfirethewolf@lemdro.id 119 points 11 months ago (5 children)
[–] MeatsOfRage@lemmy.world 41 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Exactly. After the @ they should just confirm there's at least one period. The rest is pretty much up in the air.

[–] deafboy@lemmy.world 33 points 11 months ago

Which would still be technically wrong. There does not need to be a dot.

[–] 0x0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Even that would be technically incorrect. I believe you could put an A record on a TLD if you wanted. In theory, my email could be me@example.

Another hole to poke in the single dot regex: I could put in fake@com. with a dot trailing after the TLD, which would satisfy "dot after @" but is not an address to my knowledge.

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[–] 48954246@lemmy.world 109 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The best way to validate an email address is to sent it an email validation link.

Anything outside of that is a waste of effort.

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 67 points 11 months ago (4 children)

That is 100% a chatbot using a regex email validator someone wrote as a meme that the chipotle dev copied from stack overflow without context.

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[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 105 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (15 children)

That is 100% a bot, and whoever made the bot just stuck in a custom regex to match “user@sld.tld” instead of using a standardized domain validation lib that actually handles cases like yours correctly.

Edit: the bots are redirecting you to bots are redirecting you to bots. This is not a bug. This is by design.

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[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 104 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Modern customer service is about willfully designed layers of broken system engineered specifically to frustrate the majority of people that can't regulate their emotions. It's always a series of about "12 doors" you have to cross through that are exceedingly difficult to pass through. They are designed to sap your energy with the hope that you eventually reach a boiling point, hang up, get distracted, go on with your day and never follow up out of fear of starting the same process again.

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[–] Sylver@lemmy.world 75 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Chipotle is telling you they don’t want your money

[–] sacbuntchris@lemmy.world 45 points 11 months ago

I would sure like the free stuff they promised me after my past purchases

[–] satans_crackpipe@lemmy.world 63 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I work for Chipotle Corporate. Please send me your email address. I'll make sure it gets fixed.

[–] sacbuntchris@lemmy.world 53 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Nice try I've heard that before

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 60 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (7 children)

There should be an '@,' followed by a domain (name@email.com).

What is your email address?

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[–] ohlaph@lemmy.world 58 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Look, I get it, but first, what's your email address?

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[–] Ratulf@feddit.de 56 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

If that's their standard, you can probably just edit the html to make the login button active and then sign-in.

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[–] Toes@ani.social 54 points 11 months ago (5 children)

You're talking to a bot that has a crappy parser and doesn't understand what a subdomain is.

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[–] chitak166@lemmy.world 42 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] Syndic@feddit.de 148 points 11 months ago (19 children)

Nah, it's just a old school chat bot following a predefined flow chart. And in this flowchart someone implemented an improper email check.

It's pretty much the same as if there was just a website with an email field which then complains about a non valid email which in fact is very valid. And this is pretty common, the official email definition isn't even properly followed by most mail providers (long video but pretty funny and interesting if you're interested in the topic).

[–] dan@upvote.au 28 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (12 children)

You can use symbols like [ ] . { } ~ = | $ in the local-part (bit before the @) of email addresses. They're all perfectly valid but a lot of email validators reject them. You can even use spaces as long as it's using quotation marks, like

"hello world"@example.com

A lot of validators try to do too much. Just strip spaces from the start and end, look for an @ and a ., and send an email to it to validate it. You don't really care if the email address looks valid; you just care whether it can actually receive email, so that's what you should be testing for.

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[–] MacedWindow@lemmy.world 41 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Pepper is making you salty

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[–] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 37 points 11 months ago

Have you tried giving them your email address?

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 36 points 11 months ago (1 children)

My Ameriprise account has its own email address because the fuckers don't believe any email starting with email@ is a real email. I've called them a million times and got them to file a bug, which they did, and then closed as won't fix.

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[–] Rookwood@lemmy.world 32 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Why are you keeping track of the age of your Chipotle account?

[–] lingh0e@sh.itjust.works 38 points 11 months ago

Because those points add up, playa.

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[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 32 points 11 months ago

Sounds like they don't want your business anymore.

[–] CaptPretentious@lemmy.world 31 points 11 months ago

Reply, that you'd be happy to provide your e-mail. but first, you must verify them, my having them provide an e-mail.

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 26 points 11 months ago (1 children)

sorry to answer your post ill need an email address

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[–] Crass_Spektakel@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

No, dots are NOT necessary. Actually you do not even need to supply a domain or a top level domain because mails then default to the default system which is usually localhost.

But even for routed mail there doesn't need to be a dot.

There is still valid Bang-Adressing for UUCP routed emails:

!bigsite!foovax!barbox!me

This is a valid email which basically means "send my email to bigsite, from there to foovax, then to barbox, to the user me."

And if you are in a playful mood - mix FQDN and BANG addressing...

A couple of years ago I made Hotmail crash by sending a mail to googlemail.de!hotmail.com!googlemail.com!hotmail.de!googlemail.ca!hotmail.ca!googlemail.fr!hotmail.fr!... [repeated it for 32kByte] ...!myuseraccount - their server literally crashed completely all over the world for like 15 minutes. I am so proud of myself but then it was their fault for not complying to RfC822.

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[–] anguo@lemmy.ca 22 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Get the bot to tell you it's connecting you to someone like you did, then give it a fake email address to get past that point.

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[–] AgentGrimstone@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago (2 children)

And that's why I want to talk to a person.

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