Fediverse

I agree 100%. If they are going to make an announcement about lemmy.world, they need to do it on lemmy.world. We're not all on the Discord. I, for one, don't want to be.

It's BS to not announce, on lemmy.world something that affects lemmy.world.

Be open and transparent.

I don't like that you blocked the piracy communities but I recognise that you see a reason to do so.

I've already begun migrating my subs to another instance because that's the great thing about the fediverse - I can.

If you want to be the big Lemmy instance with a lot of traffic then you're going to have to protect yourself, I get it. But at least have the balls to announce your unpopular decisions.

Discord is pretty much against everything the open web is about. Closed source and proprietary protocols... Probably tons of data mining of users as well.

I'm really not happy with using Discord at all for any organisation open to outside users. We got Lemmy for posts about, well, Lemmy. We got something like Mastodon for external updates.

Use what is there.

This makes no sense to me. Did they provide a reason for choosing Discord of all things? What was wrong with making announcements on Lemmy? Why wouldn't they choose to make announcements in another federated format in addition and not instead of lemmy? Like, I'm not super tech savvy but I'm sure they could set up an RSS-like feed to send out alerts? IDK

Yeah I mean, LW using discord instead of a FOSS option is not a good look...

A decentralized platform making an announcement on a centralized, more or less, platform? Doesn't that sound contradicting?

Like, Lemmy, are you losing faith in even yourself?

Even having the Discord server is kind of weird in and of itself I thought, you're using one social media platform to talk about your own Social media platform. I use Discord, so it's whatever, but wouldn't it make sense to keep it within the Fediverse and put a "backup" communication channel on some other instance/service like Mastodon? I guess it helps in situations where lemmy.world goes down. I've just found myself liking Discord less and less when companies use it to make "official" announcements and end up leaving alot of people in the dark, since Discord doesn't seem terribly user-friendly for storing long-term information.

You can find it if you know where to look and you have a dedicated announcements channel, I just don't particularly like the format myself personally. I think my biggest problem with it is that the notification settings are so bad by default that it always feels like I'm getting inundated with notifications as soon as I join a server, so I just mute everything on a channel. I only want personal communications through Discord, I don't particularly care to see "official" communications coming out of it.

I mean, I do get it to some extent.

As an admin myself, every time I make a post on lemmy aimed at members of my instance, it gets drowned out by folk from other instances that want to offer their thoughts and opinions.

That being said, Discord is not the answer to that problem...

Sh.itjust.works uses matrix like any normal lemmy instance would.

Very reddit of them?

This gives out the impression they don't care about lemmy being open source and decentralized but rather they are at it for a piece of the cake

I couldn't agree more. We shouldn't need to be somewhere else to receive announcements (especially such important ones).

Not to mention Discord's horrible record of privacy and security. I don't have an account and will never make one, and I'm sure many others in the fediverse will agree.

I actually just tested out the account making process, and I got asked for my phone number. No. Way.

We're here because we care about a decentralized, open network. Aside from its confusing and busy UX, it's not even indexable. Discord is literally a black hole for information and terrible for everyone except for Discord itself, who is doing who knows what with all of our data.

Discord is everything the fediverse stands against.

This whole situation is rubbing me the wrong way. I can understand the motives behind defederating even if I don’t agree but it’s been a day and the only announcement is still on Discord. Not ideal.

Discord is cancer, and FOSS communities should avoid it like the plague. It's everything that is against foss philosophy.

It would definitely make more sense to post the announcements on Lemmy rather than another discord server.

IMHO, Rather than dividing the stream of new information it would be better to focus on one platform.

Personally I dislike discord as the conversations there are too fast for me.

They could have gotten feedback if the comments were not turned off. I'll give the benefit of the doubt there's a good reason to not have comments on for that post but that and using Discord is two orange flags.

The moment I learned about defederation, I made an account on an instance that didn't do that.

Here's a website you can use to check what your instance is blocking.

https://fba.ryona.agency/

I've found there is a culture within Lemmy developers and long-time operators to discuss in Discord or Matrix chat instead of "eating their own dogfood" and using Lemmy itself to openly discuss Lemmy technical and project issues. These chat services are legendary for keeping things away from search engines and newcomers getting up to speed. Lemmy itself isn't nearly as search-engine friendly as Reddit was traditionally, it seems like feedback needs to be given as to how important it is to keep things about Lemmy in the eyes of those who actually use Lemmy...

I think Discord is great, as long as you account for its shortcomings:

• It should be treated as ephemeral - up to the point of "the service could completely shut down tomorrow"
• It should not be treated as fully private or secure

I love how snappy it is (I never have to wait minutes for messages to load, as I do in Matrix), and also how there are a ton of Lemmy users who have Discord open in the background anyway. While I wouldn't ever propose moving something like the main Lemmy communication channels to Discord, I do think it's much easier to have IMs with regular Lemmy users on Discord than it is to do so on Matrix (as in my experience, most regular users do not have a Matrix client installed).

By the way, lemm.ee also has a Discord server. It's only treated as a secondary channel, all announcements are posted in our meta community on Lemmy itself, and just linked to from Discord, but it's still nice to have IMO.